underdog is a CHEATER

May 10, 2004 16:07 underdog is a CHEATER
can someone explain this to me?

http://68.80.62.175/bolo/logview.asp?id=31482

If it is what it looks like, than I am pretty disgusted with ud.


Sev
May 10, 2004 18:28
But doesn't that show you in the game under your registered wbn name? Wouldn't he have to know your password in order to do that without you joining that game?
May 10, 2004 19:55
i was going to type something that could have possibly been intelligent, but then i got high. 8)
May 10, 2004 23:43
lol.........noone kares!
May 10, 2004 23:54
thank you madd max
May 11, 2004 00:43
Madd Maxx wrote:
lol.........noone kares!

please don't speak for me maddmaxx, because, if you had a brain. you can see the sev cares,i do care, and i bet you underdogs cares.
anyway, like, i really don't think ud will do that. like, he is already in the top 5 list. and he already prove that he can beat sev *and sev can beat ud* anyway
peace
May 11, 2004 01:28
Well im not taking sides but it either looks like sev was sleeping or UD used som sort of cheat ..... Idunno
May 11, 2004 07:53
morale of the story...don't leave yourself in a strict game where someone can push you over a base and take everything else just to get points...yeah ud could be wrong if he did that intentionally, but you should be more careful IF you left yourself in the game...if not, then I HAVE NO FREAKIN IDEA
May 11, 2004 15:48
Yes, I *was* caught sleeping after I had joined the game.
There was initially a 3rd player in the game and we were
all waiting for a 4th.

I understand this is what can happen. To see it happen
from someone of ud's caliber is disappointing.

I would like to think of myself as one of the more easy-
going regular players, but I really don't appreciate that
being undermined by stunts like this. Without a certain
degree of civility, winbolo's enjoyability is greatly
diminished. I reject the notion that the 'moral of the
story' is to watch your back against dishonest and
unfair practices at all times. I didn't get into winbolo to
become a rules-lawyer, disputing constantly whether or
not someone started early, refueled or whatever during
hold, or any other understood practice of etiquette.
Especially with established players like ud, I have come
to rely on, for lack of a better term, 'good sportsmanship.'

It saddens me that the circle of trustworthy players is
smaller than I thought it was.

Sev
May 12, 2004 00:32
This behavior from UD doesn't surprise me. I remember one time UD joined our game right before we locked up and we all asked him to go but he hung around, argued with us, then called us fags and quit. Then there was the time he was supposed to be an observer in my 1x1 and drove all over the map and tried to kill my lgm. These kinds of things don't really bother me a whole lot, and I still like you UD :D , but Sevvy's right to try to hold the vets up to a basic standard - especially when that standard is so easy to master.
May 12, 2004 01:14
Severian wrote:
It saddens me that the circle of trustworthy players is
smaller than I thought it was.

Sev


Well, the only thing i have done bad is Cancel Sticks game (I had a short temper-Differnt Story)I try to be trustworthy in all games it would sadden me if all the vets started acting bad.

"If the ruler behaves himself, the people will too"-Confucuis (YES IT IS SPELLED CORRECTLY)
May 12, 2004 02:11
pointless repeat: NOBODY GIVES A FUCK.
May 12, 2004 02:23
Actually a number of us do care about this issue. I'm waiting to see what Underdog has to say about it, as so far this is quite dissapointing.
May 12, 2004 02:28
FireIce wrote:
Actually a number of us do care about this issue. I'm waiting to see what Underdog has to say about it, as so far this is quite dissapointing.


im with u
May 12, 2004 02:52
Squishie wrote:
morale of the story...don't leave yourself in a strict game where someone can push you over a base and take everything else just to get points...yeah ud could be wrong if he did that intentionally, but you should be more careful IF you left yourself in the game...if not, then I HAVE NO FREAKIN IDEA


If ud really did this, on purpose, then we have to ask what was his motive? (I know, sounds like we're turning this into a homicide case)

was it:

1. The opportunity to pad his stats? maybe not, he doesn't have that much to gain stat wise. I'm not even sure how much he cares about wbn rankings.

2. The opportunity to beat Sev really bad? Maybe, but I'm sure he'd rather do it in a legit game, not a farce like this.

3. To be mean to Sev and teach him the lesson suggested above? Perhaps. And if he doesn't really care much about the rankings, then I'm sure he doesn't care who goes up or down :)

4. Boredom. Once again, if he doesn't care about rankings for himself or anyone else... why not?
May 13, 2004 20:32
Mad Scout wrote:
1. The opportunity to pad his stats? maybe not, he doesn't have that much to gain stat wise. I'm not even sure how much he cares about wbn rankings.

I think it was this reason that he chose to do what he did. Look at the rankings. Even after that game, Sev's still ahead of ud by 50+ points.
May 14, 2004 15:15
ud....speak up.
May 26, 2004 17:46
Underdog,

Not responding to this topic is kinda giving a bad impression to everyone. I know you havent posted on the forum since mid-april, however you are aware of this thread. Now, if it was one of those usual disreputable flamers (we know who they are) who tend to flame a certain number of us, then it'd be easy to dismiss and ignore.

But, this is severian we're talking about - he is reputable and raising a real charge. At least one person has /msg me asking me why you haven't been banned because of it and why you still have server ops.

Remember UD, you are held to higher scrutinity because of your position in this community.

Most simple one line response would ease things a lot. Here are some one line responses:

"Sorry, I was drunk, it won't happen again"
or
"I didn't do it, someone else stole my pw"
or
"Severian smoked too much pot - he's making it up"
or
"You guys go fuck yourself, I'll do what I feel like doing"
or
"Sorry I had just made love to a shemale and it drove me insane and I did this - it won't happen again"


...just something.
May 26, 2004 22:39
FireIce wrote:
Not responding to this topic is kinda giving a bad impression to everyone. I know you havent posted on the forum since mid-april, however you are aware of this thread. Now, if it was one of those usual disreputable flamers (we know who they are) who tend to flame a certain number of us, then it'd be easy to dismiss and ignore.


a better question is why are you calling ud out on something he's obviously ignoring for a reason? ... decided he didn't want to join this soapopera?

FireIce wrote:
But, this is severian we're talking about - he is reputable and raising a real charge. At least one person has /msg me asking me why you haven't been banned because of it and why you still have server ops.


ya .... just like I've had more than one person /msg me about why you havn't been anally raped by a very large man ..... anyone can say that they've been messaged ......

FireIce wrote:
Remember UD, you are held to higher scrutinity because of your position in this community.


and what position is that? ..... a server op on .us? ... big deal ... an op on a little irc chat room? .... also ... big deal ... so what position does ud hold that requires he come under any more scrutinity than anyone else?.

FireIce wrote:
Most simple one line response would ease things a lot. Here are some one line responses:


personally, I think it was a excellent idea on ud's part to completely ignore this thread, and I hope he continue's to do so. Especially when someone such as yourself is sitting here trying to put words in his mouth ...

Min
May 26, 2004 23:08
quite trew, min. Lol fi, i liked the excuses :P.
May 26, 2004 23:24
hrm..what can ud say anyway? like, there is no excuse that ud can make up about this. he cheated. that it. now let all just acecpt it and get on with our lifes.
peace
May 27, 2004 02:26
indiana wrote:
hrm..what can ud say anyway? like, there is no excuse that ud can make up about this. he cheated. that it. now let all just acecpt it and get on with our lifes.
peace


while I don't condone what ud did ... quite honestly ... there is no mechanism built into winbolo that says he can't do this ... This is what I refer to as "bad sportsmanship" rather than "cheating" .... and there is no "rules" against bad sportsmanship .... its lame, we expect more from someone who's been here as long as ud, blah blah whatever, get over it he wasn't hacking. Its like all the times someone has jumped the go (we don't need to name names here ... we all know who the go jumpers are) .... especially on jonnywar for example ....

Min
May 28, 2004 01:15
who gives a fat fuck? it's over.....1.14 has anti-cheats....dont you people remember all those crack threads about cheating? notice how they all stopped.....ud SHOULD just admit he cheated and that yeah he was stupid and that everyone should go fuck themselves and forget about it....why make a big deal of the past? no more cheating is ever going to happen again....... i really dont understand some of you people....cant we just get along? fucking forget it...actually.....ud shouldnt reply......this should be the last post on this thread.......FORGET ABOUT THIS!!!!


byebye
May 28, 2004 01:47
Q, u moron, he just noted to us that it was clearly immorral and bad sportsmanship, but not hacking, u ass.
May 29, 2004 22:30
Min, this is not the same as jumping go; it's not even close.
I got pushed onto a base for chrissakes. Fine, it's not cheating -
call it whatever you want. I didn't start this thread to argue
about semantics. This is about ethics.

I am quite aware there is no mechanism in the game to prevent
this from happening. That is why I am bringing the issue here.
ud has offered no apology or explanation about pushing me onto
a base, so the satisfaction I am seeking now is publicizing his unscrupulousness. I hope that if he sees his bullshit will not be
tolerated, he will return to being the good winbolo citizen I know
he can be.

Sev
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