What Makes A Vet?

DAllen wrote:

On another note...God does not hate people. He hates what people do.

just keep telling yourself that, anything that helps you sleep at night.

Min

Min wrote:

DAllen wrote:

On another note...God does not hate people. He hates what people do.

just keep telling yourself that, anything that helps you sleep at night.

Min

Nah...I don't have to tell myself anything like that 'cause the Bible says it already.

-DAllen

DAllen wrote:

Nah...I don't have to tell myself anything like that 'cause the Bible says it already.

-DAllen

Yep. Takes all the guesswork out of it.

Just because something is written down does not make it true. Not to mention how many translations has the bible gone through up until this point, god only knows what was lost or mistranslated because things can not be directly translated. If you are going to take the bible true and follow it's every gospel, the next time you disrespect your parents or are stubborn, they can take you out and stone you, or if you are old enough, when you have children you can take them out and stone them to death because they disrespected you. Give me a break. The bible is just a form of control for the masses that have nothing better to believe in or are not mentally strong enough to find their own way in life.

-Liz

Btw ... this is coming from what used to be a prissy little Christian girl, but that was before I started to use my brain.

I believe those Biblical laws you were referring to are no longer relevant to Christianity today, as far as following God's Word goes. From what I remember, when Christianity was founded (sometime after Jesus died) the Old Testament was thrown out and a new set of guidelines was put in.

That being said, I must agree with the fact that translation can distort things. I recall seeing how statements were twisted in the King Jame's version, from saying that something was something to saying it wasn't. It's been a few years since I've seen that, it's a tad foggy, so don't quote me on that. :-)

I'm also interested in seeing how you think that leading a non-Biblical life is better than leading a Biblical one. Don't take this as me trying to be inflammatory---I'm genuinely interested in hearing your point of view.

---Nova

Ah geez. Bible talk.

I can tell you one reason leading a biblical life is not as good. My best friend decided that he was not "mature" enough, and started to attend church (this when he is 27 years old). That was 11 months ago. Today we don't talk because I am living with my fiance, and we are not married. Not other differences. Because I'm "living in sin" we can't hang out anymore. The guy has no friends anymore, and thinks he's better than everyone else. Maybe he feels better now, who knows. But if you are who you are as judged by your peers, he's an asshole.

I'm glad to see that there are some other Christians here. :D
(Nova? Acro? Right?)

Beastmaster wrote:

Ah geez. Bible talk.

I can tell you one reason leading a biblical life is not as good. My best friend decided that he was not "mature" enough, and started to attend church (this when he is 27 years old). That was 11 months ago. Today we don't talk because I am living with my fiance, and we are not married. Not other differences. Because I'm "living in sin" we can't hang out anymore. The guy has no friends anymore, and thinks he's better than everyone else. Maybe he feels better now, who knows. But if you are who you are as judged by your peers, he's an asshole.

Sounds like your friend made some mistakes.

a) He is judging you when he says you are living in sin. Who can judge but God alone?
b) The bible teaches humility, not pride. He is no better than anyone else. He is just as sinful as anyone. Faith is not a release from sin! Faith is a part of a life-changing experience that liberates us from the consequences of sin.
c) He should know that it is his JOB to reach out to non-believers. By looking down on others and not spreading the Word, he's going against all that Christianity teaches. It's his JOB to be a role model; to be kind and patient (I have work to do in that area, d'oh) and forgiving. I recently heard a radio sermon about this issue; about how people who don't follow the path the bible teaches can actually impede the progress of the spread of the Word.

And Liz - wow. I have no idea what gave you the impression the bible teaches killing your kids with rocks is ok. I encourage some reading!
And how is Faith a sign of weakness? I believe those who follow the teachings of the Bible are FAR stronger mentally. God provides the power and stability to conquer life's troubles. You say we need to be mentally strong enough to go it alone. We aren't! We were never meant to be. We WERE NOT created to be in control. The short limit on the length of our lives is proof of that.

Acro wrote:

And Liz - wow. I have no idea what gave you the impression the bible teaches killing your kids with rocks is ok. I encourage some reading!

you havn't actually studied the bible have you? .... I think perhaps you should do some serious research before claiming it does or doesn't say something. Proof is always nice, I know it says a few things like what liz said, all you have to do is go looking for it. If you beleive in the word (the bible) then you believe in all of it, not jus the select pieces you think you should believe in.

Acro wrote:

And how is Faith a sign of weakness?

imo, faith is a definate sign of weakness, you mindlessly follow a book or teachings that someone tells you, without question, becuase you have to have faith! ... well ... thats the stuff cults are made of. Drink this poisoned koolaid, you must have FAITH!

Acro wrote:

I believe those who follow the teachings of the Bible are FAR stronger mentally.

define mental strength.

Acro wrote:

God provides the power and stability to conquer life's troubles.

he does? ... when was the last time you had a little chat with him about this? .. oh yes .. faith ...... god provides stability to those mindless enough to not be able to provide their own stability.

Acro wrote:

You say we need to be mentally strong enough to go it alone. We aren't!

sure we are, the human population has been around a long time, and seems a hell of alot of people are doing just fine without god. I know I sure am. I was raised with christian beliefs, and after having a good look at the bible, have decided only satan could have written such a thing, if there is a satan, written to mislead the mass's.

Acro wrote:

We were never meant to be. We WERE NOT created to be in control. The short limit on the length of our lives is proof of that.

so, your saying some 'god' that you've never seen, heard, or know anything about besides whats written in his 'word' is in control. oh yes ... faith again .......... mmmm, koolaid. well, while your drinking your poisoned koolaid, I'll be raising my kids, and trying to enjoy my life. Have fun with that. I don't really intend to respond to anything you say to this little reply, so feel free to attempt to disect the bits I've written, no worries, i know your replies will mostly consist of scriptures taken out of context, and blathering bible nonsense, try basing your reply on this, The bible is not true, it was written by satan to mislead the righteous. If you can convince me of your view without using the bible at all, then bring it on.

Min

Acro wrote:

And Liz - wow. I have no idea what gave you the impression the bible teaches killing your kids with rocks is ok. I encourage some reading!
And how is Faith a sign of weakness? I believe those who follow the teachings of the Bible are FAR stronger mentally. God provides the power and stability to conquer life's troubles. You say we need to be mentally strong enough to go it alone. We aren't! We were never meant to be. We WERE NOT created to be in control. The short limit on the length of our lives is proof of that.

Well Acro I was raised in a very strict religious family, and from the incredibly terrible things I experienced growing up, and as the oldest child, I see my siblings and cousins endure. When your mom’s favorite line is “spare the rod, spoil the child” and thinks that it’s alright to beat her children so they don’t become “brats” I’ve done my share of reading the bible to try and understand why I was treated the way I was. I will not get into it, but as far as I'm concerned my life is MUCH better off without this Christianity that I was raised to believe in. I am a stronger person now then I ever was when I was a Christian. When I was a Christian I had no backbone, no self esteem, I believed that women were worthless and that everything bad that happened to me was my fault. I have opened my eyes now and I can see more clearly now that my vision is not clouded by Christianity.

"He who spares his rod hates his son, But he who loves him disciplines him promptly." Proverbs 13:24

"Do not withhold correction from a child: For if you beat him with a rod, he will not die. You will beat him with a rod, And deliver his soul from hell." Proverbs 23:13-14

"If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear." Deuteronomy 21:18-21

"And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death." Exodus 21:17

Is that enough reading material for you Acro? I'm sure I could find you some more, I'll just call up my mom ... "Hey mom what Scriptures did you read that justified beating the living snot out of me as a kid?" I'm sure your going to argue "But those are from the old testament, Jesus died for our sins and there are new laws in the new testament" blah blah blah ... if you believe in the bible you also believe "God was, is, and always will be" therefore god does not change his mind, making old laws just as effective in his eyes as they were then they were first written. Also if you believe God is omnipotent, which the Bible claims he is, he would have know the new testament was going to be written and everything that was ever going to happen, why would he contradict himself but for only to confuse the sheep, which Christians are referred to as sheep in the bible (Jesus is the Shepard – “we” are his sheep), hmm I wonder why? Mindless flock animals maybe?

-Liz

You've taken bible passages so mind-bendingly out of context I have trouble deciding where to begin. But, this would take 6 weeks and only encourage more of the same.

I think that the topic's question has been sufficiently answered
I find that once a topic has been addressed it becomes a free-for-all.
sometimes, I think this is cause enough for locking a thread :shock:

Acro wrote:

You've taken bible passages so mind-bendingly out of context I have trouble deciding where to begin. But, this would take 6 weeks and only encourage more of the same.

"You've taken that passage from the bible out of context" I remember saying that exact thing to min during some of our religious discussions. Christians are always right, even when they are proven wrong they are still right because they follow their religion blindly and without question (faith). I was there; I know what I am talking about. It wasn't until I decided to sit down and do some research on my own, with reference texts even - wow how could that be possible, that I came to the conclusion (finally) that my beliefs as a Christian were not correct, everything that had been ingrained in me since the time I was a small child were not correct. I am not always right as a non-Christian, but at least I can admit it and open my eyes and mind to another person’s point of view. I respect Christians as long as they are not fanatics trying to push their religion on me. I do believe in god(s) or a higher being per say. But if you want to go with the God from the bible, he gave everyone a choice, and my choice is to abandon Christianity because of what I feel it did to me. I feel that my choice has made me a stronger person.

-Liz

Watching liz grow emotionally since she realized that christianity isn't the only way has been enlightening in itself, I've learned alot from her experiances in that regard, and now we can sit down and have a meaningful conversation regarding religion, without getting angry or upset with each other. Change is good.

Min

alexm wrote:

I'm glad to see that there are some other Christians here. :D
(Nova? Acro? Right?)

No, not really.

underdog wrote:

in case you didn't know, a winbolo player does not HAVE to be a vet OR a noob, they can be neither

the world is not bipolar

(but you are, because god hates you.)

And to think this whole thing started with some little sideways comment.... sigh...

I believe in no god or superior human being.... i live in this thing called reality..... i believe nothing till I see it.... why should i believe something is there when it is not evident?

Just like ghosts or aliens or the Loch ness Monster.... no proof.... and most likley were invented in the first place to replace a logical explanation before it was found, because, well, it is easier.

This is not bashing any religion of any type. I am not an atheist. I am a human being. I live. I believe what I see.

peace. this is a winbolo site. play it.

What the fuck..... there is no html changing size on that post....

Nova wrote:

That being said, I must agree with the fact that translation can distort things. I recall seeing how statements were twisted in the King Jame's version, from saying that something was something to saying it wasn't. It's been a few years since I've seen that, it's a tad foggy, so don't quote me on that.

I don't think that anyone could make such a mistake. It's a fuckin' BIBLE, supposedly a "very important" book, I don't think they would hire such shitty translators to work on one.

Acro wrote:

God provides the power and stability to conquer life's troubles.

Why do we NEED "God" to provide stability? (assuming, that is, that we as humans NEED stability). Why can we not believe in something else to provide "stability", why must it be a belief in "God"? A set of moral principals or any code of conduct made by yourself can provide just as much "stability" as a God can, without the need for blind faith.

Acro wrote:

You say we need to be mentally strong enough to go it alone. We aren't!

Correction: YOU aren't, I am.

-Madd Maxx-

WOW. :shock: I make one tiny little smart-aleck remark and look what happens. Yikes. I'm sorry if I've ticked anyone off by lighting the wick that sets off the entire fireworks display all at once. I thought I was just lighting one little obnoxious smoke bomb. I can't believe I post one short message one day and there are 3-4 page dissortations on the message board the next. I think it's time to move all of this to "General Chat."

-DAllen

This happens to threads all the time, man, don't sweat it. I don't think that anyone would blame you considering it's very unlikely that you intended to start this landslide of posts.

I always thought of a vet was someone who played the original bolo and was involved in that community. The most a winbolo player could ever be is a very good noob. KuJo, Cuda, Mac, Gands, Min, the original lagster shotty and all the other 1.08 heroes would all be very-good-noobs or MAYBE 'winbolo vets' if they still played.

As far as all the other posts regarding religion in this thread, all I cay say is:

He resigned today. Gah, so depresserating.

You cannot blame him, I would probably kill myself if I just found out I had to spend another five years around that fuckhead of a president George Bush as his secretary of state.

-Madd Maxx-

Nova wrote:

This happens to threads all the time, man, don't sweat it. I don't think that anyone would blame you considering it's very unlikely that you intended to start this landslide of posts.

I didn't realize having some activity on the forums was such a problem, I don't recall seeing any flaming, just statements of varying opinion. Much more civilized than our regular conversations.

Min