Nobel Peace Prize Nominee to be executed?

DAllen wrote:

JokingClown wrote:

Yes, there are plenty of corrupt governments that have murdered plenty of people. In a way , it does paint the US in a bad light, but it isnt supposed t be manipulative.

But it IS manipulative and you have proven it because you never answered my initial question...Is that execution number PER CAPITA RATE or OVERALL NUMBERS? That quote is like saying , "Oh my gosh, there are 290k Americans in insane assylums and there's only 20k Canadians in assylums. HOLY CRAP WHY ARE AMERICANS GOING SO CRAZY?"

Well let's just say (for the sake of arguement) America only has 290 million people within it's borders and Canada only has 20 million. Guess what...the per capita rate of crazy people in either country IS THE SAME. So the initial question of, "why are the Americans going crazy" looks pretty stupid. Now do you see the rediculous nature of that quote from Amnesty International?

(Yes I am crazy and no I am not in an assylum. They just haven't caught me yet. :wink: )

JokingClown wrote:

What it is supposed to show is the ireland, sweden, australia, canada, norway, germany, italy, england, switzerland, and other so-called 1st world civilized countries have all recently banned execution of 17 year olds and younger. (semi recently at least). Those countries that I have listed, some have them have executed 14 year olds, etc, while America has only executed 17 year olds(more then one, quite a few i think).

In comparison to most other "modern" civilized countries America is quite conservative, and I have a feeling we will follow in their foot steps soon enough, as we did with womens rights and slaveery (sometimes America likes to proclaim itself the leader in freedom, but it just isnt true). I also predict that we will allow gay marriage soon as well, a few years after most of the other first wolrd countries did, not suprisingly.

If that means being the leader in freedom then I want no part of it. I would much rather we hold on to our conservative ways. First of all the dude isn't 17 anymore. Second, would it be better if the guy committed the crime when he was 18? Is that the issue? Give me a break. The maturity difference between 17 and 18 year olds is non-existent. I know first hand because I have worked with teenagers in our church's youth group for the last 9 years. So some countries don't execute before the age of 18. We just happen to draw the line *rarely* one year earlier.

So, in those other wonderful 1st world countries...Hows the spread of STD's going? How about drug addiction? How about the rates of suicide and crime? I honestly have no idea how they compare to the US but I seriously doubt they're doing any better with more "freedom."

Respectfully disagreeing,
-DAllen

Cool_Fool wrote:

DAllen wrote:

My original point (maybe not very well stated) was that the US is not that bad of a country - in fact, it's a good place to live.

This kind of thing used to bother me too, Dallen. But lately I've come around to seeing it as a sort of backhanded COMPLIMENT of the United States. That people should be so concerned with the actions of this country, and so distressed when those actions are morally deficient, is a testament to the fact that we are held to a higher standard than the rest of the world.

Earlier someone was talking about the abuse at Abu Ghuraib, which sparked a massive global outcry. I think it's telling that a half dozen poorly disciplined Americans, acting on their own, could generate more concern than could the many nations were widespread state-sponsored repression is a daily occurance.

To me, anti-Americanism at home and abroad are actually validations of this country. People expect the best from us, because we are the best.

Standing by point-by-point refutations, ad hominem attacks, feigned confusion over definitions, accusations of generalization, foul language, and all the other hallmarks of internet debate,

CF

FireIce wrote:

I was expecting bad things to happen to this board when I took my one week vacation, but CF writing a 5 paragraph serious policy paper on politics?

Min wrote:

all the monkey schools that were closed over in africa becuase the locals didn't agree with educating monkeys ...... poor poor monkeys ...........

Min

FireIce wrote:

Min wrote:

all the monkey schools that were closed over in africa becuase the locals didn't agree with educating monkeys ...... poor poor monkeys ...........

Min

Min, I agree, it's pretty sad about Cool Fool and Qmandbomb - we no longer have hope for them.

Cool_Fool wrote:

Well you're in trouble too, since losing your job as principal of the monkey school - the only job you were qualified for.

CF

FireIce wrote:

Ya I had to go back to slaughtering you monkeys just to have food to eat. I hope you didn't miss your former classmates too much.

FireIce wrote:

Min wrote:

all the monkey schools that were closed over in africa becuase the locals didn't agree with educating monkeys ...... poor poor monkeys ...........

Min

Min, I agree, it's pretty sad about Cool Fool and Qmandbomb - we no longer have hope for them.

Q-mandabomb wrote:

Laugh while you can, we're your children, monkey rapist.