Banning for farming trees

Jhood wants to ban Cool Fool from the chat channel #winbolo for farming trees before "GO".

Well, he says he gave CF a warning, and if CF doesn't stop doing it, then it will escalate until a ban. So he is starting the process that will lead up to a ban if CF refuses to obey Jhood's request.

So what do you think? We've never banned anyone from #winbolo for the 3 years that winbolo.us policy has been in operation for the act of farming trees before go.

I feel there are different ways to enforce the way to rules we've set up such as:

1) Public outcry and refusal to play such game with such ppl
2) Public shame such as being caught on log viewer and having ppl pointed it out and then having the bad reputation of a cheater.
3) Peer Pressure
4) Banning from #winbolo
5) Banning from game server

It seems to me in this case #1 and #2 would be more efficient.

I personally would rather see #4 used for extreme cases and as little as possible since it doesn't keep ppl from actually playing the standard pw games, but simply keeps em out of the chat channel. I think of it as the principle of "You ruin pw games badly, so we kick you out so you can't get the custom pw we set up to prevent you from joining our game".

In CF's case I think if ppl are really upset with it, I would think they can start a game and ask him not to join. Then if he joins despite their wishes, then yes he should be banned. I've used that principle with other players instead of starting the process of kick-banning them.

However, in this case, except for a quick message from Jhood to CF, nobody protested and we ended up playing a very enjoyable game. Enjoyable and interesting enought that Jhood and I analyzed it and watched the log afterward. So, in this situation, CF's farming didn't ruin the game and didn't prevent us from having a great game.

What do you think? Should we start banning from #winbolo every slight rule offense done in a pw game? Or should we reserve the banning from #winbolo only the big offense - the game wreakers like starting before go and refusing to leave?

I might be wrong in my thinking, hence why I am interested in other people's argument and logic. Afterall, rules can only be effective if they are something most people agree with.

Farming trees before the start is so trivial, I cannot see any reason why someone would take offense to it. Usually, it is lesser players that farm trees before the call. These same players usually die on their first base run anyway.

Derami says that in weighted games that it is unfair to wall bases, wall opponents, wall LGMs, strip mine, and deforest. So should those be considered for banning someone also?

Ren got banned for interfering in my 1v1 game against Spintega. I walled Spintega and ren set him free. If you are allowed to watch someone else's 1v1 game, should interfering in it be considered a bannable offense?

Spintega got banned in that game for killing it.

I also got banned because, “I didn’t hold while ren was freeing spintega from being walled.” Should I be banned for walling spintega or for not holding while ren set him free?

shoudent this be in winbolo.us if it‘s about #winbolo?

I also believe farming trees before the go will not make up for any deficit of skill. The better player will still whoop ya.

And public shame?!?!?! CF LIVES for that. :D

"lesser players" is bs. sometimes its an accident. last i heard farming before a go was not against the rules. its just bad ediquette. still, not a bannable offence. just like deforresting, or carpet mineing. u can do that shit its "part of the game". its bad ediquette to burp and fart on someones face, but im not going to get arrested for it. i believe if u piss someone off and they have some power they can and probably will fuck with u. if i was cf id tell hood to shove it. its probably going to be a stupid day ban anyway. its like getting to punch your boss in the face on the last day of work. your out the door, he will forget about it.

VIVA CF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


TERM

sgt im not mad at you

(-_-)zzz wrote:

Farming trees before the start is so trivial, I cannot see any reason why someone would take offense to it. Usually, it is lesser players that farm trees before the call. These same players usually die on their first base run anyway.

Derami says that in weighted games that it is unfair to wall bases, wall opponents, wall LGMs, strip mine, and deforest. So should those be considered for banning someone also?

Ren got banned for interfering in my 1v1 game against Spintega. I walled Spintega and ren set him free. If you are allowed to watch someone else's 1v1 game, should interfering in it be considered a bannable offense?

Spintega got banned in that game for killing it.

I also got banned because, “I didn’t hold while ren was freeing spintega from being walled.” Should I be banned for walling spintega or for not holding while ren set him free?

Yeah, way to twist the story smartass. Considering i watched spintega wall himself, kind of odd that you said you walled him when you were halfway across the map. Secondly, i unwalled him, then you two played for a good two minutes maybe, and spin called hold. and you spiked him and killed him during hold. Twisting stories and then trying to make me look like a fool, ain't fly on my chain. And you wonder why everyone finds you such a jackass? =/ Get a clue moron. If you're going talk about changing the policy, then atleast abide by the ones already set shithead. Jesus, you're like a tick that won't die.

*Shrug*

You're probably more annoying than DZ or MaddMaxx ever was.

Ren wrote:

Yeah, way to twist the story smartass. Considering i watched spintega wall himself, kind of odd that you said you walled him when you were halfway across the map.

Do you really think anyone believes Spintega walled himself? Keep telling that bullshit lie and I won't have to say anything to make you look like a fool.

The truth is I built 3 walls. First I built 2 walls and was pinning him against them. Then he tried to plant pill to get me out of the wall, but I just built the 3rd wall to trap him. At that point he was down to 2 bases and decided to kill the game.

Considering i watched it happen... (spin walling himself). finally, you're a dumbshit if you think you have any friends here. we all know how you talk to people on IRC and in games.. don't kid yourself champ.

You're crazy if you ever think your going to get respect like that. Been there, done that, you won't ever get what you deserve.

April 24, 2006 :: 8:30 PM
[20:30] <Jideep> next time please hold
[20:30] <no> acrobot dh-oil rig.map
[20:30] <Jideep> when hold is called zzz

Obviously you still haven't learned shit. ain't worth my time man.

Nail in the coffin.

Ren wrote:

Twisting stories and then trying to make me look like a fool, ain't fly on my chain.

"ain't fly on my chain"

awesome.

now for me to put my 2 cents in where it really dont need to be. even if spin walled himself, or if zzz walled him. its still a 1x1. not a 2x1. this means u are not to even touch anything that has to do with that match. thats y they call it "watching". u could be called on that for messing up a strict game. if spin is dumb enough to get walled then thats it. also if hes dumb enough to wall himself he wants to lose. if a hold was called and zzz didnt hold, thats him and zzz's deal. not yours.

no offence to both of u...but Ren your wrong. and i think u just hate zzz.

btw, i dont even know the whole story so...my opnion basicly means nada.

I have a flyswatter.

I find it odd that jhood's ops would be suspended considering he didn't levy any inappropriate op action on anyone. Did he get mad and argue? Call names? I wasn't there, but if he did, so what? These are not valid excuses for that action.

Is there more going on that would somehow explain this? If there is, then why isn't it posted in the ops forum? If there isn't, I'm disappointed in whoever removed the ops.

damn...that does suck. i can see getting your ops removed because u put a ban on someone for farming before a go, but if u didnt do it...that is kinda stupid.

I also think it's petty to place a channel ban for just one instance of farming before go -- if that's what is even being argued here.

jhood wrote:

I spent some time a while back and read some old logs that were put on the .us ftp.. and nothing the so called "tyrants" said compared to your "ideas" contrast to Winbolo.net and Min. I think I'm better off unassociated with you.

The winners write the history books.

Min

Sticks wrote:

I also think it's petty to place a channel ban for just one instance of farming before go -- if that's what is even being argued here.

one instance? any instance. farming before a go is not a bannable offence. yes, no way should a ban be even an option, unless its changed from bad ediquette to against the rules. like starting a game before go is called...thats aginst the rules on a strict game. but the fact is hood did not ban cf. it was an argument. i guess. so why get your ops taken if u didnt infact ban someone for something gay like farming before a go. like i say, i was not there so i dont know all the details.

at least there is a log viewer so you guys can watch people farm before go now! and you can watch spint wall himself in. Either way, I just used the philosophy 2 wrongs make a right when people farmed before go, when you hear him farming nothing is stopping you from clicking a few trees here and there. You can even blame him when other people call you on it. Its always nice to see nothing has ever changed on irc, you guys just put some pretty wrapping paper on it called a policy.

Just means that people will start farming before go without worrying about it. Since apparently its not against the rules, I'll be sure to collect a full tank full of tree's before go next strict I play.

Min

Ya next open I play I am going to fill up on trees before go also.

Min wrote:

Since apparently its not against the rules, I'll be sure to collect a full tank full of tree's before go next strict I play.

Because collecting trees while refueling is just too complicated.

(-_-)zzz wrote:

Because collecting trees while refueling is just too complicated.

More becuase this idoicy has to stop.... and the only times those in charge of the irc server/policy (fi and lrl) change anything, is when someone makes a mess of it so badly they -have- to change it.

Min

I told cool fool in the game not to prefarm because of the logviewing ability now.

I told fireice I was considering taking action on cool fool so it woulnd't get out of hand - as it happens pretty much every game - however the other operators and I discussed it and I understood that action wasn't nessessary.

I honestly believe that speaking my opinion - removing his banter buddy - pissed off fireice enough to remove my ability to do that. It's favoritism.

jhood wrote:

I honestly believe that speaking my opinion - removing his banter buddy - pissed off fireice enough to remove my ability to do that. It's favoritism.

Favoritism, Idiocy, same difference.

Min

well. yes farming before a go. can be annoying. but to them ban for it? well, it really Jhood called. if he wants to ban him. he can do that. but if i had to pick to ban him or not. i prolly won't and never play with him again, until he learns to act his age.

at least there is a log viewer so you guys can watch people farm before go now

I believe the record will exonerate me.

I still think we should ban CF though. Ban him FOR LIFE!!!

CF