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Nov 02, 2003 20:05 ....
btw, i just got the new micheal moore book. "dude where me country?" it good.
Nov 02, 2003 20:11
Hey Weezy remember me heh heh... I've changed my name a whole bunch of times but I've talked to you on AIM before. :)
Nov 02, 2003 20:46
wonka wrote:
fi wrote:
Why do these mass killing only occurs in places where guns are illegal and not allowed?


hmm, China, Soviet Union, nutsi Germany,.... u got a point fi


Heh, I was actually thinking of schools, universities, airplane, etc, but you make a good point yourself.
Nov 02, 2003 22:21
hehe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!@#@
Nov 02, 2003 22:42
I think what's really to blame are all the video and computer games where kids go around shooting stuff all day and night. I pray for you, Ren...

That was a joke, so please don't fancy this a lecture on the responsibility of parents/media/society/government/teachers/nannies/clergy/gun dealers/Elvis/Stuart to shelter children from violence/hatred/drugs/MTV/Osama/Cosmo/saturated fat.

For those of you who disagree with Michael Moore, please let me know when your book is coming out or shut the hell up you couch-activist buffoon; at least he's trying to make us think. Until your book convinces me otherwise, I'll continue to blame everything on humanity's defiance of natural selection. We've become so arrogant in our infinite intelligence that we fail to recognize we're just overpopulated wildebeests clever enough to find interesting new ways to cull the herd and sentimental enough to feel bad about it afterward. We are dumb.
Nov 03, 2003 01:35
stimp your funny. so now u have to have a book out to have a respectible opnion about the shit thats goin down in the world. if so....wheres your book? i bet u worship rush linb-bla. whats the use of some dude makein u think if u cant talk about it because we are all dumb cattle. parts of this are true. but we cant be top of the food chain for nothin.




ps retaliation is expected.

hehe pmg
Nov 03, 2003 16:44
in reply to your comment on canadians not understanding it, i for one am a canadian, and i feel as though i understood the point michael moore was trying to make. i disagree with wonka, i do not believe the movie is the net result of the socialists who brought all the regulations and such down on america. the movie seeks an answer to what is wrong with the united states. I found it amazingly insightful, and I have nothing but the upmost respect for michael moore.

The movie is not about gun regulation, you drunken hillbilly SJ. You obviously missed the entire point of the movie.

Anyone who hasn't seen it, i strongly suggest you do. It will open your eyes.
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Nov 03, 2003 19:23
underdog wrote:

Anyone who hasn't seen it, i strongly suggest you do. It will open your eyes.


You are implying our eyes are closed - as they must be in order to be opened.
Nov 03, 2003 22:26
hrmmm....hows about all the american winboloers have a nice big, gun fight!!! That should destroy summa em'
Nov 03, 2003 23:16
fi wrote:
underdog wrote:

Anyone who hasn't seen it, i strongly suggest you do. It will open your eyes.


You are implying our eyes are closed - as they must be in order to be opened.


I hope you are just joking fi, otherwise I would have to group you with all the other illiterate winbolo d00ds.
Nov 04, 2003 20:16
Weezy, what I don't like about Michael "the Moron" Moore is this: He starts something with the end already decided. Then he interviews people for the "appearance of fairness" then he re-edits these pieces to provide the means to an end. His agenda is already set, and to think any piece of his is fair is missing the point all together.

He is not a journalist, he is a propoganda machine... and that is why I made my initial comment about him not being able to have a coherent thought. He's incapable of it.

Wonka... You don't ever start something with the end already decided? Are you telling me that when you go to have sex you don't plan on the orgasm, it's just some nice unintended and unrelated suprise? I know thats a little out there but COME ON! He made a fucking movie, of course he isn't going to add something that goes aginst what he says. He has his opnion on guns and you have yours. But there is no reason to go about this with you, after all there are 3 sides to a story.. My opnion, your opnion and the truth. Pick what you want. I think you need to go into things with an open mind though. I know the movie is "out there" and you do not agree with everything it says but it has its truths. Are you one of those people who beliebe the government isnt corrupt? Have you ever looked outside your box? Its sad to think somebody can be so closed minded. I have to go, take care watch the news make an opnion for yourself, dont eat everything the media dfeeds to you. :wink:
Nov 04, 2003 20:23
For those of you who disagree with Michael Moore, please let me know when your book is coming out or shut the hell up you couch-activist buffoon; at least he's trying to make us think. Until your book convinces me otherwise, I'll continue to blame everything on humanity's defiance of natural selection. We've become so arrogant in our infinite intelligence that we fail to recognize we're just overpopulated wildebeests clever enough to find interesting new ways to cull the herd and sentimental enough to feel bad about it afterward. We are dumb.

Well said stimpy.
Nov 05, 2003 13:27
weezy wrote:
For those of you who disagree with Michael Moore, please let me know when your book is coming out or shut the hell up you couch-activist buffoon; at least he's trying to make us think. Until your book convinces me otherwise, I'll continue to blame everything on humanity's defiance of natural selection. We've become so arrogant in our infinite intelligence that we fail to recognize we're just overpopulated wildebeests clever enough to find interesting new ways to cull the herd and sentimental enough to feel bad about it afterward. We are dumb.

Well said stimpy.


Wow... what a statement of arrogance. I agree with PMG’s reply about, “Where’s your book?” This ranks right up there with other ludicrous statements like “If you’re not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to fear”. It must really be difficult being you, the only one thinking outside the “box” with the rest of the us being these mindless dunces, dolts, and dimwits, being led down the primrose path like cattle to slaughter.

I guess after making my remarks about your newest God Michael, I should stay indoors during thunderstorms, double look both ways before crossing a street. Forgive me for being such a heretic. I’m just a feeble-minded inbred hayseed incapable of higher level mental functions. Me and the slug, my brother in arms…. Want to play a game of tic-tac-toe? What were the rules again?
Nov 05, 2003 17:25
wonka wrote:
weezy wrote:
For those of you who disagree with Michael Moore, please let me know when your book is coming out or shut the hell up you couch-activist buffoon; at least he's trying to make us think. Until your book convinces me otherwise, I'll continue to blame everything on humanity's defiance of natural selection. We've become so arrogant in our infinite intelligence that we fail to recognize we're just overpopulated wildebeests clever enough to find interesting new ways to cull the herd and sentimental enough to feel bad about it afterward. We are dumb.

Well said stimpy.


Wow... what a statement of arrogance. I agree with PMG’s reply about, “Where’s your book?” This ranks right up there with other ludicrous statements like “If you’re not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to fear”. It must really be difficult being you, the only one thinking outside the “box” with the rest of the us being these mindless dunces, dolts, and dimwits, being led down the primrose path like cattle to slaughter.

I guess after making my remarks about your newest God Michael, I should stay indoors during thunderstorms, double look both ways before crossing a street. Forgive me for being such a heretic. I’m just a feeble-minded inbred hayseed incapable of higher level mental functions. Me and the slug, my brother in arms…. Want to play a game of tic-tac-toe? What were the rules again?


If you have any factual evidence of what is depicted pretentiously false in the movie, i would sincerly like to hear it.
Nov 05, 2003 18:40
After reading the three pages of posts I've decided it's my time to add my two cents. Since 1996 in The U.S. school yard violence has increased. Many studies have been done on why this happens. Violence in the media is what many experts and parents are pointing their fingers at. A study of children that played violent video games showed a drastic increase in aggressive behaviour, but then again children become more aggressive when jumping on a trampoline. Video games, movies, music, etc etc they do play a role in today's schoolboy violence, but it all comes back to the parents and the household. Parents need to explain things to their children. They can't expect to buy GTA Vice City for their 11 year old without telling them it's not ok to kill people and you won't get rewarded like you do in the game. Strong morales and beliefs need to be instilled. Things aren't like the 1950s where a family would sit down at a table for every meal and talk about their day. Divorce rates are booming and single parent families are common. The lack of time spent with children is why children form these ideas about violence. Lastly, it's true that soe people are just crazy, but the children at Columbine weren't crazy. They felt wronged and felt what they set out to do would be ok. It could have been prevented, possibly by any of other conspirators, other students, teachers, anyone could have possibly opened their eyes and seen some early warning signs.
Nov 05, 2003 21:53
well said sky!
Nov 05, 2003 22:48
when your 11 or 10 yrs old u still know write from wrong. i dont giva shit what any one say. unless your retarded u know that killing is bad. and u know the differance from a video game and reality. i would love to wack a cop in cold blood and type a code in so the cops dont get me. but thats a video game. music can influance some hype..thats y everyone likes it but music reflects reality. people kill people all the time. i hate to us 50 cus i hate the bastard. but theres nothing more real the fitting your 5 yr old son with a bullet proof jacket cus u got enemies. its not cute. but u brought it on youself. what do u think his son is gunna want to be as an adult? is he gunna wanna be a cop? a teacher? no. hes gunna be a rapper just like his daddy. i think it is the parents that play the major role. if u see some guy get lit up by your father when your 10 or 11 yrs old...thats your dad...hes right. the other guy was wrong...its ok to shoot him. we learn from imitation. thats how we learn to talk....thats how we learn to walk...and thats how we learn to kill. if u look up to a killer...your gunna be a killer...if your raised around guns all the time...u like guns. what a suprise. people are gunna kill people. its how society works. its nature. live with it. if the kids killed my friend or a family member im gunna wann kill his ass. thats how it gos...and its not gunna change.
Nov 06, 2003 14:09
If you have any factual evidence of what is depicted pretentiously false in the movie, i would sincerly like to hear it.

Lets hear it wonka
Nov 06, 2003 14:29
weezy wrote:
Lets hear it wonka

You wanna hear sweet nothings in your ear.... whisper, whisper, whisper, whisper.

Was that loud enough? a little louder so everyone can hear...

When you see a show like this, all you have to do is watch how certain interviews appear on camera. Then you know whether it is a fair interview or not. Sometimes they use the two-camera technique, sometimes only one. What they do then is redub the piece and mix-and-match in the edit room. For example, if I asked Heston "What's your favorite thing to eat at a baseball game" and the answer is "Beer and hot-dogs". A totally innocuous question and answer. Right? Wrong. In the edit room, I redub the question "What's your favorite thing to eat at a gay rally". Edit out the Beer, and you got the answer you wanted all along.

Heston is gay.

Same is true on the technique used on Manson and I bet he wound up with tickets to a concert. If Moore had wanted to, he could’ve made Manson look like a strung-out druggie. But that didn’t fit his agenda.

Moore's technique is to ask leading questions, with the net result already determined. Same thing I've said all along.
Nov 06, 2003 16:10
pmg wrote:
when your 11 or 10 yrs old u still know write from wrong. i dont giva shit what any one say. unless your retarded u know that killing is bad.

Well, according to experts a 10 or 11 y/o doesn't neccessarily know whats right or wrong. This is the age when anything can make a huge impression on children.

and u know the differance from a video game and reality.

incorrect

i think it is the parents that play the major role.

That's right so if a 10 y/o watches a movie and his/her parents say it's not right to kill like that, the adolescent may think's it's alright.

we learn from imitation. thats how we learn to talk....thats how we learn to walk...and thats how we learn to kill.

exactly, therefore if you're playing a lightgun game where you shoot zombies and get rewarded for it, you may think it's ok to shoot humans.

if u look up to a killer...your gunna be a killer...if your raised around guns all the time...u like guns.

I disagree. I look up to my father who is a chemical eingineer and I never wanted to be a one and I hate chemistry.

I think next time you need to slow down and think about what you're saying. You contradicted yourself several times in this post. :roll: :roll:

Sky
Nov 07, 2003 14:39
sky have you even seen the movie we are talking about? if not, your arguing about things that have nothing to deal with the topic at hand.

if you DID see the movie, you will see that violent movies, video games, bad parents, etc exist in ALL countries, including canada england france germany. yet the US has a higher gun murder rate than ANY of them. by several fold. is it because guns are so easy to get? maybe. but look at canada. in canada you can get a gun just as easily with the right certificate, which is not hard to get at all. and many many people have guns. yet they arnt shooting each other like the US.

your whole argument is only partially true, but you are completly missing the large picture

how about education? this wasnt discussed in the movie, but if you listenned to the news, you would realize that the already horrible public education system of the US has been slashed dramatically by your fearless cowboy leader, Bush. Same deal with high level education accessibility.

Maybe part of the reason is because the general pop is getting more and more fucking retarded by the second thanks to bush? i guess it doesnt matter how smart you are, as long as you can afford more weapons of mass destruction, right? which US makes and owns. but you dont hear about people bitching about that. you hear about the snakes that might bite you, and the rapists that hide in the shadow, not the real issues like the constant killing that the US does to other nations, or the fact that your fundamental liberties are now gone thanks to the patriot act, or the fact that thanks to big business your air, land and water is shit. you dont see all the bodies of the brave 18 year old americans that were shot or bombed to death in iraq coming back in coffins thanks to bushs egotistical war for oil that despite the majority of americans AND the world oppose, opposed and will forever oppose, continue today even though his wild claims proved to be false, thanks to the government imposing strict regulations on overseas coverage. i speak the truth, despite how much you want to continue believing how moore is the big bad man, and your country is a good nation. no, you watch the hypocratic governments filtered propaganda spewing media instead, and think that's reality. give your head a shake, and wake the fuck up
Nov 07, 2003 15:04
moore did nothing more than the media and politicians have done. you have yet to give an example of any fact in the movie that is false. the fact charles heston went to littleton shortly after columbine despite the protests and the fact the parents were still in mourning to advocate guns. the fact that america has the highest gun murder rate in the world. the fact charles heston did in fact go to the the place the 6 year old was shot to death in school, once again, despite pleas to not come out of respect of the incident.

how about the fact that the nra and kkk have fundamental ties with each other? or the fact littleton is one of the biggest weapons of mass destruction producers in the world? how about the fact that at the time the columbine shooting happened, the US dropped more bombs on Kosovo than any other time ever (no one seemed to care about that) please tell me they are just big lies, i really wish they were. im begging you wonka, tell me it aint so

wonka wrote:
weezy wrote:
Lets hear it wonka

You wanna hear sweet nothings in your ear.... whisper, whisper, whisper, whisper.

Was that loud enough? a little louder so everyone can hear...

When you see a show like this, all you have to do is watch how certain interviews appear on camera. Then you know whether it is a fair interview or not. Sometimes they use the two-camera technique, sometimes only one. What they do then is redub the piece and mix-and-match in the edit room. For example, if I asked Heston "What's your favorite thing to eat at a baseball game" and the answer is "Beer and hot-dogs". A totally innocuous question and answer. Right? Wrong. In the edit room, I redub the question "What's your favorite thing to eat at a gay rally". Edit out the Beer, and you got the answer you wanted all along.

Heston is gay.

Same is true on the technique used on Manson and I bet he wound up with tickets to a concert. If Moore had wanted to, he could’ve made Manson look like a strung-out druggie. But that didn’t fit his agenda.

Moore's technique is to ask leading questions, with the net result already determined. Same thing I've said all along.
Nov 07, 2003 16:37
underdog wrote:
moore did nothing more than the media and politicians have done. you have yet to give an example of any fact in the movie that is false.

Your defense of Moore is rather weak. Just because so and so does it does not make it right. Yellow journalism = Propaganda in my book. What was the difference between Soviet propaganda and American? It’s a matter of perspective only. I’m sure that Moore had several hundred hours of tape that never made it into the movie. And if he had wanted to, he could’ve made appear that if every student had a gun that day those two pieces-of-shit would’ve never got through the front door alive. But as his WEB site (http://www.bowlingforcolumbine.com/) states, “Stop Wal-Mart from selling bullets!
Fill out this petition and let them know how you feel.” It’s quite clear what the agenda is for the movie: Negative portrayal of gun advocates. I would’ve liked for Moore to have covered how the gang-bangers get their weapons, but alas, he didn’t (omit things you don’t want thought about). I can guarantee you they don’t buy them from dealers, nor gun shows. These guns are smuggled in from China. You can buy a fully automatic AK-47 on the street for about $500.00.

The absence of certain facts, out-of-context remarks, and synchronization of scenes is enough to taint a piece. You take Rush Limbaugh, he’s great entertainment as far as I’m concerned. But he distorts the facts just as much as the “liberal” media. I had a discussion with jhood yesterday about how the media presents certain things. I told him that I could make him dislike chocolate cake. Start with a piece in the NAZI death camps , a little girl holding what looks like a cake. Throw in some clips of dead bodies being thrown onto a pile. Next piece is about a bakery with roaches and rat droppings in the flour. Then cut to a sara-lee commercial for chocolate cake. That’s how indoctrination occurs. EST and LifeSpring use similar techniques. You associate music with certain feelings. So when you hear them again, those same feelings return.

underdog wrote:
how about the fact that the nra and kkk have fundamental ties with each other? or the fact littleton is one of the biggest weapons of mass destruction producers in the world? how about the fact that at the time the columbine shooting happened, the US dropped more bombs on Kosovo than any other time ever (no one seemed to care about that)


nra=kkk. This is your statement? Maybe a lot of kluckers are members of the nra. But the last time I checked nra=gun advocates and kkk=ethic haters. A little different in my book.

The U.S. has a number of weapons plants, one of which is outside of Denver. I seem to remember that America was protecting the Islamics from the Serbs in Bosnia. What thanks do we get for that, they go and drive a couple of perfectly good airplanes into our buildings.

underdog wrote:
please tell me they are just big lies, i really wish they were. im begging you wonka, tell me it aint so

I wish I could Underdog. But Bosnia occurred and Serbs, Croats and others died, The weapon plants do exist, the KKK still hates, and Columbine did happen.

One thing I’d like to say about America is this. Why do immigrants want to come here? It’s the land of opportunity. It is because there is an underlying belief in this country that you have to succeed. Americans are raised to compete in everything. You can start with nothing and become successful. No country on the planet has as many diverse cultures as America, yet we manage to live together in relative peace. Other peoples look at our life styles and figure we are weak and don’t have the stomach for war. The Japanese underestimated us, so did the Germans, and so have others like the Islamics. America is the most feared fighting force on the planet. We know how to make people who mess with us dead. And why is this? It is our culture. Americans don’t need a rigid structure to succeed. America emphasizes individuality and therein lies our strength and our weakness. The weakness leads to things like Charles Whitman on the Texas tower, or Columbine, the gang wars, mob wars, bar fights, and domestic violence. Some people can’t cope with the transient nature of American society, the me first mentality and they close up and withdraw from society and then themselves. Then they become scary and bad things happen.

So much for my essay.
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Nov 07, 2003 16:47
No country on the planet has as many diverse cultures as America, yet we manage to live together in relative peace.


This statement is wrong. *points at canada* and well .. looks like we don't shoot each other as much as you american's do. I'm not saying anything about your point of view in regards to what moore etc has said. but if your going to state things like this as fact, please make sure they are indeed fact.

Min[/quote]
Nov 07, 2003 17:02
Min wrote:
No country on the planet has as many diverse cultures as America, yet we manage to live together in relative peace.


This statement is wrong. *points at canada* and well .. looks like we don't shoot each other as much as you american's do. I'm not saying anything about your point of view in regards to what moore etc has said. but if your going to state things like this as fact, please make sure they are indeed fact.

Min


Min, Canada may have many diverse groups there. But look at French-Canada, they want to secede. I wouldn’t call that “relative peace”. Most of the immigrants to Canada are Asian, and Canada doesn’t have the shear numbers either.
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