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I didnt know where to put this post, thuoght i twould be here. Anyway, Last night I ended up playing some very fun 2x2x2x2 games. My ally and I did pretty good. However after the final game the team we beat complained about mining and deforesting. So, I want to know what the community thinks abuot these two things. I think they are part of the game. Winbolo is a game of strategy, and if you need to play a certain way to win a game using a certain strategy wouldn't you? I'm not talking about using hacks or cheats either. Lastly I call out Sticks and Neo to play me and saiyan in a three game 2x2 tourney. I know isnt as available as everyone else. But, if you think the way I played is why you lost to us, I just wanted to show you two how wrong you are. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

Sky

Sky, they ARE a part of the game, sometimes a very important part! Mining Rox! Btw, those games kick'd ass!

-Madd Maxx-

if its the way you play its the way you play
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I wouldn't start doing any deforesting, but if my opponents were doing it to me, I would do it back.

First off, when we finally got down to the 2x2 who had more bases? Yeah, you guys. Who had more pills? Yup, you guys. Who had their quad mined? Oh, that was us. And you feel big 'coz you won but only after completely deforesting and mining our quad? Good job. Once a peon, forever a peon. W3rd.

A good best of 5 series should solve this, or even best of 3.

A good best of 5 series should solve this, or even best of 3

Just let me know when you two are ready, I htink the weekends are the best time for both of us. Bring it on!

well, we played our first two games. the series is tied at 1-1. Me and Saiyan have been labeled the lag-o-matics. But, so far the two games have been really fun and could have gone either way. Thanx neo and Sticks for playing and I look forward to finishing up this best out of five. Hopefully nobody will interfer with are gameplay. /me looks at Dan the man :lol:

btw, playing these 2x2s is getting me ecited about the possible IBL return. And it was Sticks idea to have permanent partners. I think it's a great idea. So, someone please get to work on it!! I know ud has all of Jolo's support

I HAVE TANK ASSAULT AND I WILL RELEASE

if the teams aren't even I don't think mining is appropriate, but in an even game if you can sneak behind enemy lines and lay a good strip of them behind a pill line it can be a very effective tactic. All is fair in love and bolo, isn't it? Mining certainly is not cheating. :x

skywalker wrote:

However after the final game the team we beat complained about mining and deforesting. So, I want to know what the community thinks abuot these two things.

I think deforesting ought to be banned -- it unfairly deprives the other team of the resources it needs to fight a pillwar. Similarly, base raping is verboten, because without bases it's very hard to get the ammo you need to fight that pillwar. By logical extension, taking the other team's pills is also unethical, because it's pretty silly to have a pillwar where only one team has pills.

With those principles in mind, go have fun and play fair.

For the first time, I actually agree with something Kax wrote. Usually he just blabbers nonsense. But here it makes sense. It reminds me of when I actually agreed with something MaddMaxx once wrote, it was amazing.

Anyway, I would go further then Kax - I believe that while killing an lgm is not technically cheating, it is extremely poor form to do so. When playing people like Saiyan, it is a huge unbalance to allow lgms to be killed as Saiyan has the very poor sportmanships of killing lgms all the time. It makes for a very unbalanced and unfair game.

wtf? wheyre actually saying base raping and lgm sniping are WRONG!?

i can understand why deforesting and mining are bad, but cmon!

fi wrote:

For the first time, I actually agree with something Kax wrote. Usually he just blabbers nonsense. But here it makes sense. It reminds me of when I actually agreed with something MaddMaxx once wrote, it was amazing.

Anyway, I would go further then Kax - I believe that while killing an lgm is not technically cheating, it is extremely poor form to do so. When playing people like Saiyan, it is a huge unbalance to allow lgms to be killed as Saiyan has the very poor sportmanships of killing lgms all the time. It makes for a very unbalanced and unfair game.

FireIce! Killing LGM's is an ART, it's just another skill in the game, get used to it!

Q-mandabomb wrote:

wtf? wheyre actually saying base raping and lgm sniping are WRONG!?

i can understand why deforesting and mining are bad, but cmon!

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LGM sniping, base raping, deforesting, and mining are all valuble tactics and are part of the game.

I think fi's post was meant to be taken as humor.

Madd Maxx wrote:

Q-mandabomb wrote:

wtf? wheyre actually saying base raping and lgm sniping are WRONG!?

i can understand why deforesting and mining are bad, but cmon!

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LGM sniping, base raping, deforesting, and mining are all valuble tactics and are part of the game.

Agreed

hehe, guesso.

Elvis wrote:

I think fi's post was meant to be taken as humor.

Indeed :D.

Base raping, mining, deforestation or even lgm kills, they're all just different tactics used by different players. The only reason some people bitch about the above are because it is not the tactics they choose to use.

It makes the game a little harder for them to win and that makes them feel all threatened and uncomfortable. At the end off the day, if I'm getting beat in a game and normal tactics like pill wars or spiking aren't working then I would quite happily try another tactic. You do whatever it takes to win (cheating obviously doesn't count here).

Instead of saying that people aren't being fair, these people should just adapt and learn new strategies against deforestation, mining etc. WinBolo is a strategy game and if all you want is plain killing with no thought go play Unreal or Quake as that will maybe suit your attitudes better.

Ess-K :twisted:

Ess-K wrote:

Base raping, mining, deforestation or even lgm kills, they're all just different tactics used by different players. The only reason some people bitch about the above are because it is not the tactics they choose to use.

It makes the game a little harder for them to win and that makes them feel all threatened and uncomfortable. At the end off the day, if I'm getting beat in a game and normal tactics like pill wars or spiking aren't working then I would quite happily try another tactic. You do whatever it takes to win (cheating obviously doesn't count here).

Instead of saying that people aren't being fair, these people should just adapt and learn new strategies against deforestation, mining etc. WinBolo is a strategy game and if all you want is plain killing with no thought go play Unreal or Quake as that will maybe suit your attitudes better.

Ess-K :twisted:

Well stated, thats awesome!! 8)

Ess-K wrote:

Base raping, mining, deforestation or even lgm kills, they're all just different tactics used by different players. The only reason some people bitch about the above are because it is not the tactics they choose to use.
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Instead of saying that people aren't being fair, these people should just adapt and learn new strategies against deforestation, mining etc.

Good points but I must play devil's advocate here..

Another reason why some people bitch (myself included) is that the way you play the game is determined by what you want from it. I always want to win. If I know I can't, then I try to focus on learning and observing. If I want fun, I'll join an open as stricts/tournys are too stressful to be fun for me.

Or sometimes you just want a good game. Suppose you're one of the 2 in a 2x3 match that should be a challenge for you to win. You have a shot, but you'll need to play your best. Now suppose the other team does something questionable, like pooping mines through your quads, sending their extra player to deforest, or walling in your LGM.

These tactics are legal, but thats not the point. Those players on the 3 side want to win; they don't give two shits about what their opponents want. Its a pretty selfish thing but thats why you learn who to play with and who not to.

As for developing strategies against deforestation/mining, its a good idea, however in a handicap match, its just not humanly possible. You'll still end up with a handicap any way you slice it and that doesn't make the odds look any better. Also past a certain point in a non-handicap match, there's no defense against resource killing. The players know its gotta happen in order for someone to win. Its rarely done as a distraction: it's either a finishing tactic or its a desparate last attempt to force your opponents move.

To be fair, when I was talking about deforesting/mining etc. I was thinking in terms of a more balanced playing field. If you're playing a handicap match, 2x3 for example then I agree certain tactics should perhaps not be employed. The thing about this thought is its all dependant on who is playing. I would say that in cases like 2x3 you should agree with all players before beginning a game that tactics like deforestation will be classed as illegal.

The good thing about WinBolo's community is there are now enough people on to give us choice so if you're not happy with the way somebody is playing and you're no longer deriving anyfun from the game then you can simply choose not to play them again. In my opinion the above tactics are ok and I disagree with the concept that there is no strategies against them but as I've said before, that's just my opinion and we all look at the game in a slightly different way. Think it may just be a case of agreeing to disagree here.

Bottom line is, WinBolo is for fun and when it stops being fun then maybe its time to consider getting out of it, although I can never really see that happening cause once you've gave your details to Elvis its like selling your soul, theres no going back... not ever!

Ess-K :twisted:

Sticks wrote:

As for developing strategies against deforestation/mining, its a good idea, however in a handicap match, its just not humanly possible. You'll still end up with a handicap any way you slice it and that doesn't make the odds look any better. Also past a certain point in a non-handicap match, there's no defense against resource killing.

But isn't this difficulty precisely why they call it a handicap match? There's nothing inherent to the 2x3 format that obligates the three to play in a way that maximizes the 2's chance of winning. I'm sure you don't mean to suggest that the 3-side usually wins these matches as a result of this indefensible tactic. My experience has been the opposite.

i think if u were not ment to do it then u cant...if u shoot a tree and it dies...then yes u can do that. if mines come out of your tanks ass and explode then yes...u can do that. bolo is not barney's play pen. if your playing to win then u do what u can and everything in your power to win. if this means to use mines or killing trees then so be it. besides i thought this was a matchup thread. :twisted: