Etiquette

Here is always a lovely topic. Lets all try and remember some basic rules for playing winbolo. And if you see a new player, try and show them the path without being too abusive. I stole this from fi's site.

- If someone asks you to leave -- LEAVE
- Don't start playing immediately (wait for "go")
- Do not send out a request to ally to everyone
- Do not request alliance more then once or twice
- Concede the game before leaving (usually with "gg")
- Cheating or hacking is not tolerated
- Avoid excessively foul language or insults
- There are consequences to bad behavior

Enuff said.

I would also like to add my own open game etiquette:
- A big team against 1-2 pill-owning players is fine, but once the big teams gets all the pills, the player who owns the majority should unally. This keeps the open game interesting, otherwise it's LAME imho.
- A traitor is someone who STEALS another allies pills for the purpose of unalling. If you leave alliance in an open with ONLY the pills you captured, this is NOT being a traitor, this just keeps it interesting.
- Mining is fun in opens!

Right on Sheeps.

I also realized that my page needs some slight updating to take into account the changes 1.13 bought on with the ignore alliance request. If anyone is willing to email me the new wording of the changes that I need to change on my page, I'll be glad to credit ya on my page. My email is fireicewinbolo@hotmail.com

Also, in addition to the ettiquette listed above, I also have a page about the additional accepted rules concerning entering passworded games.

http://winbolo.netfirms.com/rules.shtml

Post edited as to reflect my current views of HOLDING which is as follows:

To hold your current position in the game until another "go" is called.

what about mining and deforesting in a strict or tounament game???

sheeps! Mining is fun in all games! I wish you would turn hidden mines on automatically. You can really use them to fuck ppl up!

if they fuck ppl up then you shouldnt use em anymore. youre a final result. J/K hehehehe



deforesting and other hilarious tactics (respawn spiking and respawn wall ins are hilarious)

UNFORTUNATELY, CAN ALSO BE ANNOYING WHEN USED AGAINST U!!! :D

skywalker wrote:

what about mining and deforesting in a strict or tounament game???

Well, the above is mostly about basics of decent play. Targeted at the newer players.

What you mentioned are borderline and sometimes called "tactics". I only have a real problem with deforesting when its uneven teams. Carpet mining is annoying in non-opens. Mining can be very useful when used in moderation.

mining and deforesting are arts and are certainly not above decent play! Especially hidden mining!

hrm, very interesting indeed, carpet mining in strict games has its uses, I do it all the time. Its very effective. It frustrates people, frustrated players play worse, so I can then take advantage of their weakened mental state, everything that you can do (deforesting, mining, etc) has its uses, and in some places its far more effective than others, I use all tactics when nessicary.

Min

Min, how can i contact you... email?

ren

just to expand off of what sheeps was saying, mining/deforesting is pretty cheap if its uneven numbered teams and you have more players.
because no matter how good the smaller side is, someone who continuously kamikazees their area while the other people hold them in place is just like shooting a camel while its sleeping in your bed. you just dont do it~! show some respect, foo

underdog wrote:

just to expand off of what sheeps was saying, mining/deforesting is pretty cheap if its uneven numbered teams and you have more players.
because no matter how good the smaller side is, someone who continuously kamikazees their area while the other people hold them in place is just like shooting a camel while its sleeping in your bed. you just dont do it~! show some respect, foo

What if it's 2x2 and you deforest???

Indeed the ettiquette post is a great thing to reitterate some important basic manners to not just newbs, but something that lately I feel even some of the older vet could use a re-cap on. I've noticed that quitting when someone feels they have seen the end, is become a consistent habit for some players, although clearly at least a concede would be more appropriate then just quitting, especially considering there have been comebacks with just one base and one pill, can be a rare event but it does happen. :wink:

As Far as mining and deforesting go, in strict and tourney games, I need'nt respond with much after reading Min's post. Truly mines can be effective in certain circumstances, but in others it may be to ones disadvantage to mine there opponents, threfore in some predicaments you may actually want your opponent to try to mine u, for it may actually advantage your situation, its all part of the game and its large anglkes of strategy, and deforesting is yet in the same boat as the mining.

Sincerely,

Addbot

Ren wrote:

Min, how can i contact you... email?

ren

yes. my email is on my website if you want it.

Min

underdog wrote:

just to expand off of what sheeps was saying, mining/deforesting is pretty cheap if its uneven numbered teams and you have more players.
because no matter how good the smaller side is, someone who continuously kamikazees their area while the other people hold them in place is just like shooting a camel while its sleeping in your bed. you just dont do it~! show some respect, foo

its pretty funny that you guys keep insisting that its "cheap" its not cheap, its not the endall and be all of tactics, it plainly doesn't work sometimes, sometimes people are off wasting their time deforesting instead of defending and you blow them away. there is nothing cheap about a valid useful tactic. I personally feel its a huge compliment if they have more players and have to resort to killing my tree's to beat me, that is a move that insinuates respect for your skill. You guys have a very skewed view of respect, start opening your mind, quit living in your 2 foot by 2 foot box.

respect
n 1: (usually preceded by `in') a detail or point; "it differs in
that respect" [syn: regard]
2: the condition of being honored (esteemed or respected or
well regarded); "it is held in esteem"; "a man who has
earned high regard" [syn: esteem, regard] [ant: disesteem]
3: an attitude of admiration or esteem; "she lost all respect
for him" [syn: esteem, regard] [ant: disrespect]

I feel it shows more admiration to have to kill someone's trees or completely mine them out to stop a deadlock in uneven teams. but yet, you guys will continue to throw around that killing peoples tree's is disrespectful, so .. I don't know why I bother even coming here ... *leaves*

Min

Personally, I play Winbolo for fun….and the game is downright boring when deforesting and carpet mining are used.

However, I recognize that a number of people have fun with deforesting and carpet mining, so hence why I have not listed it as un-ethical behavior - due to the fact that ethics is something that is universally recognized by a community, something that the pro or anti deforesting/carpet mining arguments have failled to gather in Winbolo.

Once again, if we had the options of allowing/dennying carpet mining built into the game itself - people wouldn't get all worked up about arguing about it, they would just play with the options they choose, like when people play open or strict games - you don't see arguments here about whether all games must be strict or all games must be open. The carpet mining lovers and the carpet mining haters could all play their games without having to get worked up about it.

And before you say - but everyone will choose to ban carpet mining - well if that's the case, then that means ovewhelming support would exist for that and that's what we should do. Anyway, for a reference to the carpet mining debate, there is a long thread from back during the summer :)

Thus for now, it comes to this you newbies reading…if you carpet mine in a game, expect either people like min and addbot to respect you, or people like me and others to despise and silently (if not verbally) cuss you out.. :)

I just had an idea. I'm sure min will hate the idea, bnut this is something for the game server bots to consider.

We now have in .us about 4-5 game server bots that can serve games. Game server bot owners have choice over who gets to play on their bots, and so thus make the rules for its usage such as no cheating and no hacking. But what if we extended this so that one of the game server bots declare his bot to be a non-carpet mining bot. Thus, people are not allowed to carpet mine on his bot, just like they are currently not allowed to cheat on all bots. That way, if people want a garanteed non-carpet mining game, they could start one on that game server…and if they prefer not to place that restriction, they can choose one of the other 4 game server bots :).

When the map is served from that bot, it could remind it with the non-carpet mining ban.

Futhermore, you could also extend this and have another bot that is a carpet mining lovers's bot - that is - if someone carpet mines you, you have no right to cuss them out or complain about it :)

Kinda something that would allow carpet mining haters a refuge once in a while from carpet mining…and carpet mining lovers could have refuge from getting cussed out when they do choose to carpet mining!

Min wrote:

underdog wrote:

just to expand off of what sheeps was saying, mining/deforesting is pretty cheap if its uneven numbered teams and you have more players.
because no matter how good the smaller side is, someone who continuously kamikazees their area while the other people hold them in place is just like shooting a camel while its sleeping in your bed. you just dont do it~! show some respect, foo

its pretty funny that you guys keep insisting that its "cheap" its not cheap, its not the endall and be all of tactics, it plainly doesn't work sometimes, sometimes people are off wasting their time deforesting instead of defending and you blow them away. there is nothing cheap about a valid useful tactic. I personally feel its a huge compliment if they have more players and have to resort to killing my tree's to beat me, that is a move that insinuates respect for your skill. You guys have a very skewed view of respect, start opening your mind, quit living in your 2 foot by 2 foot box.

respect
n 1: (usually preceded by `in') a detail or point; "it differs in
that respect" [syn: regard]
2: the condition of being honored (esteemed or respected or
well regarded); "it is held in esteem"; "a man who has
earned high regard" [syn: esteem, regard] [ant: disesteem]
3: an attitude of admiration or esteem; "she lost all respect
for him" [syn: esteem, regard] [ant: disrespect]

I feel it shows more admiration to have to kill someone's trees or completely mine them out to stop a deadlock in uneven teams. but yet, you guys will continue to throw around that killing peoples tree's is disrespectful, so .. I don't know why I bother even coming here ... *leaves*

Min

so let me get this straight, your saying that in uneven teams (meaning, as an example, i and someone against 3 or 4 or 5 people in a tourny game) when the other side resorts to mining and killing off the trees in our quad, despite the fact they out gun us and out number us, this is a sign of respect? your logic is that the fact that they can't beat us the normal way , resorting to a tactic that obviously guarantees a win (mining someone last quad is guaranteed a win, if you have more allies and they are watching pills/bases) is a sign of respect? by your own logic, then i guess if i cant beat you the normal way, using the armor hack is a sign of respect too? ill remember that if you ever accept my match request

fi: i personally oppose doing that to a bot. for some people there are only 1 or 2 bots out of the 4 that give them decent lag. if the good one for them is made into a carpet mining only bot, and they dont like that, then they no longer have a decent bot to play off of.

perhaps the ability to spawn a map that has a no-carpet-mining rule would make more sense. but how will it be enforced? more than likely people will bitch and complain about so-and-so did this, etc etc. how about instead of pussyfooting around, elvis would kindly allow the option of setting a mine max limit on server side?

Maybe there is some way to keep carpet mining out that would seem natural...
Maybe if there was some effect that took place if there were to many mines close together, like some sort of radiation or less growth of trees, etc.
Then this effect could be an option.

Deforesting and carpet mining rock! THey make the game more interesting!

bla bla bla.....not going to even read these essays.........

don't need to! Hidden mining rox!

underdog wrote:

by your own logic, then i guess if i cant beat you the normal way, using the armor hack is a sign of respect too? ill remember that if you ever accept my match request

I'm saying that is a sign of respect, I am not however condoning doing anything that the game isn't programmed to do. such as hacking. Nice twisting my words to try and prove a point ud, you do that alot. Feel free to do anything besides loading up client hooks in any game we play against each other. in fact ... do you recall rows apon rows of mines down the middle of chew toy 3? ... I sure do ... I used to bore you into losing. it was quite effective.

Min