What the hell is your guys problem?

Ok, there has been too many of you shitbricks going on and on bitching over nothing, and as much as the majority of us want it to stop, asking kindly or bitching back is never going to stop it.

But I like to think among the constant bitchers and assclowns, there are a few with some rationality left who might want to consider why it would be good to not bitch.

First of all, bitching has never solved any problems, only caused more. If you like winbolo, as most here do, causing more problems to the creator of winbolo, the people that help make the winbolo community function, the people that work on and make projects for winbolo, and the winbolo players isnt going to make winbolo a better game.

There is nothing wrong with constructive criticism. In fact, it should be warmly welcomed, as it gives reason to improve or change things for the greater good of everyone. But there is a thick line between screaming personal insults to each other, and giving suggestions on what should be done differently.

Another reason is it drives players away, MAJORLY. So many people have come and quickly gone after a gander of you fools yammering away, and who can blame them? Not to mention the people that may have considered playing until they saw this gawd awful mess on the forums.


On a somewhat related topic, lately DZ and MM have been crying on and on about being banned from the irc server, or game servers. How about instead of your tired weak remarks like "well X did this and got away with it, why cant i?" which never works in any situation (telling a cop you saw someone else do it and got away doesnt make you exempt from the law) you for once look at yourself, and think "Gee, what is it that i did wrong?"

The truth is, nothing is done without reason. Whether the reason is "valid" or not, is different depending on who looks at it how.

Both DZ and MM have done things that have gone against the policy of the .us server. Is the policy absolutely perfect? Surely not. But it does have many qualities that anyone with common sense will agree with.

The ops enforce the policy. So if you have beef with an op for punishing you, "Don't hate da playah, hate da game, dog"

Additions or changes to the policy would be looked at with consideration, and if they are valid, will most likely be added. It really isn't hard, go to www.winbolo.us and make a post on the forum there.

The point that some people make of "well LRL owns the server so he can do anything" or "Pawn owns the game bot so he can ban anyone, biznach!" is obviously correct. I don't think anyone will challenge that, or question it, so why even bring it up? What you need to also know, however, is these people try to be as fair to others as they can, and make the game enjoyable for all. Am i saying this cuz im "another pawn of the .us crew?" as SJ said? No. It is because it is in their best interest, since they would not spend their time and money on winbolo if they did not like winbolo. And because they like winbolo, nothing would make them happier than to have more players play, and watch the game get improved on and grow with everyone's support.

All I ask is the few people that might happen to care about how their actions effect others (I know I expect too much here, but bear with me) not throw stones from glass houses, and just put a little more thought into what they do before they do it.

Not to mention the people that may have considered playing until they say this gawd awful mess on the forums.

First of all you should change that say to see or something before some flamer think's he's leet and goes after typos cuz he has nothing else. And can you prove people have seen the forums and left? did they tell you? or did you see them? no wait.....you couldn't have because they left. Bitching will not be stopped when there is a community full of bitch's and pawns like you. The very thing you want to stop, was written in a thread full of bitching, these actions should be cleaned up in other ways, like a moderation policy that allows the mods to control such actions with deletions and locking threads without members of your crew crying up a river of tears about there post dissapearing. And you not being a pawn? fuck this post has pawn written all over it. hell

Additions or changes to the policy would be looked at with consideration, and if they are valid, will most likely be added. It really isn't hard, go to www.winbolo.us and make a post on the forum there.

says oh come to the .us forums not here we rock winbolo.us is winbolo, whats next you guys going for the source and taking the whole fucking thing over? like give me a break you guys are just like a nibblet of corn in the great big stinky shit of lrl's they call winbolo.us

Way to completely miss the point and ramble over some inane thing, genius. Good thing I don't take anything you say as credible

Suicide Jockey wrote:

Not to mention the people that may have considered playing until they say this gawd awful mess on the forums.

First of all you should change that say to see or something before some flamer think's he's leet and goes after typos cuz he has nothing else. And can you prove people have seen the forums and left? did they tell you? or did you see them? no wait.....you couldn't have because they left. Bitching will not be stopped when there is a community full of bitch's and pawns like you. The very thing you want to stop, was written in a thread full of bitching, these actions should be cleaned up in other ways, like a moderation policy that allows the mods to control such actions with deletions and locking threads without members of your crew crying up a river of tears about there post dissapearing. And you not being a pawn? fuck this post has pawn written all over it. hell

Additions or changes to the policy would be looked at with consideration, and if they are valid, will most likely be added. It really isn't hard, go to www.winbolo.us and make a post on the forum there.

says oh come to the .us forums not here we rock winbolo.us is winbolo, whats next you guys going for the source and taking the whole fucking thing over? like give me a break you guys are just like a nibblet of corn in the great big stinky shit of lrl's they call winbolo.us

I spelt it gawd on purpose, because for some reason I felt like being a good Christian and not using His name in vain. as for the word saw, i fixed it

Also I could care more about what Sophia in New Zealand had for dinner on August 19th, 1987 than what some loser says about my spelling. Anyone who tries to fight using grounds of "bad grammar and spelling" suck, and only prove that they themselves are much bigger lamers than we all thought of them before. And who is Sophia? I have no clue.

Did I ever say "Yes, the bitching shall stop and desist cuz I said so!" That was not the point, nor at all what I said. I never suggested bitching would end completely, or even mostly. I asked for the few sensible people (you are not one of them) to try to think a little bit more before they act, and consider the ramification of their actions.

Im a pawn because I said that we will listen to people's remarks on policy! Oh no! Im the big bad evil man from Satan~! Cuz sj the great one said so! RUN RUN RUN!

But your insane interpretations are amusing. I like these forums a lot, that's why I'm asking the few people that care (once again not you) to stop with the needless hateful remarks and bitching. You are beyond that, and will say whatever amuses you, or succeeds in pissing whoever off, for the hell of it. Which is fine, cuz I know that about you, and I'm not asking you to change, cuz asking you isn't going to change you, or people like you. The attention whores.

Suicide Jockey wrote:

Not to mention the people that may have considered playing until they say this gawd awful mess on the forums.

First of all you should change that say to see or something before some flamer think's he's leet and goes after typos cuz he has nothing else. And can you prove people have seen the forums and left? did they tell you? or did you see them? no wait.....you couldn't have because they left. Bitching will not be stopped when there is a community full of bitch's and pawns like you. The very thing you want to stop, was written in a thread full of bitching, these actions should be cleaned up in other ways, like a moderation policy that allows the mods to control such actions with deletions and locking threads without members of your crew crying up a river of tears about there post dissapearing. And you not being a pawn? fuck this post has pawn written all over it. hell

Additions or changes to the policy would be looked at with consideration, and if they are valid, will most likely be added. It really isn't hard, go to www.winbolo.us and make a post on the forum there.

says oh come to the .us forums not here we rock winbolo.us is winbolo, whats next you guys going for the source and taking the whole fucking thing over? like give me a break you guys are just like a nibblet of corn in the great big stinky shit of lrl's they call winbolo.us

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But the one thing I will admit I agree with you, is that changes to the moderation policy should be set

And finally, your point that I don't know people leave here because of anything to do with bitching moaning, or hateful remarks is untrue.

I personally know of a handful of people who have indeed left the game not because of the game itself, but primarily because of the people. So don't give me that "well you havnt seen it" bullshit excuse to say my point isn't valid, cuz you don't know what I have or have not seen.

Also, although it isn't directly evidence, if you look at the huge number of registered players, and count the number of active players, wow, they dont addup, not by a few miles. Sure, the sole reason isn't because of bitching. Perhaps some people's computer blew up, or their free AOL cd expired, or maybe Mad Cow Disease got em. Or perhaps the graphics didn't include enough sex and gore. Who knows.

But common logic dictates that the average person doesn't particularily enjoy being part of any group that consists mainly of bitching whining and shit flinging all day, except perhaps the masochistic.

Most of the reasons people leave the game is out of our control. But lessening the bitching is WITHIN our control. That is why I brought it up.

I know logic is a foreign concept to some, and you will surely try to piece something together about how I am full of it, and a puppet of LRLs, but to those that arn't fools (this time it includes you SJ) try to actually understand what I meant, not inane things like typos, or crazy conspiracies based on fecal matter

this whole thing is LRL and FI's fault in the first place ... not to mention sheeps ...... their outright lieing has cuased this problem to occur .... your leaders made your bed ... now sleep in it .... now shutthefuckup.

Min

Its funny how You don't think anything I say is credable, but feel the need to reply to my single post 4 times, sounds to me like it hit a soft spot in that big smelly shit, so LRL sent you back to reply eh? well I can see why. First thing, the sensable people that you could probly change, don't come to the forums. Your left with the idiots such as youself and I who post here just because we can. Is this Sophia character hot? how old was she in 87 when she ate that food? did it look anything like .us when it came out? and if you didn't say "stop this shit now" there was no point for this original thread, nobody is going to listen to a suggestion and as I said before.....the sensable smart ppl avoid the forums.

Im a pawn because I said that we will listen to people's remarks on policy! Oh no! Im the big bad evil man from Satan~! Cuz sj the great one said so! RUN RUN RUN!

Now you just drunk I said a policy is needed in the forums thats the only way it is gonna regain some dignity and respect. And is a few people stopping really gonna change the forums? when really the flaming is handed out by only a select few people, and even less of them are actually good at it? Or would it just help inflate your already huge ego so you could say you helped stop the evil flamewars of winbolo.net! And attention whores lol if you didn't want attention you wouldn't have posted this, or had your rigged map contest, well maybe not the map contest that one was good at flooding winbolo with map diarrhea.
And name some players that have left because of the forums directly, I want to here there names, anyone can say "oh ya someone left cuz I said so" hell I can even say I seen FI using a speedhack on minbot games...is it true....no. Mad cow disease hasn't killed a human its thinking like that, that is killing our economy right now, but prolly if you take the number of registered players....subtract the people with like 6 accounts, take into account people who play but don't post, people who played one open and quit, prolly not many people quit because of the forums, or even looked at them for that matter, some people just don't care and its a good decision on their part. The bitching and whining is in our control, but not until the moderators have some real power. Until then you can bitch all you want about bitching, its not going away. And I could see the point in your first point, but its a stupid one that would not work in any sense of your twisted logic, instead I think you should have posted on the need for a moderation policy and attempted to outline a basic one that hopefullly we can get passed and put into place to settle things down a little bit. Oh ya almsot forget.....I KNOW WHAT I FUCKING SAID NO NEED TO QUOTE THE WHOLE POST AGAIN. damn you quote whores, I can see some small ones so they know what you are talking about, but the whole thing after you have replied, especially when there is only one post you can reply to, like fuck lets make the thread stupid AND annoying at the same time wheeeeee.

Min wrote:

this whole thing is LRL and FI's fault in the first place ... not to mention sheeps ...... their outright lieing has cuased this problem to occur .... your leaders made your bed ... now sleep in it .... now shutthefuckup.

Min

leaders? hah

Min wrote:

this whole thing is LRL and FI's fault in the first place ... not to mention sheeps ...... their outright lieing has cuased this problem to occur .... your leaders made your bed ... now sleep in it .... now shutthefuckup.

Min

U forgot about ren minny!

Underdog, the bitching isn't going to stop just coz u want it 2! It will continue. Oh, and as a suggestion to the .us policy. I suggest that it should be followed, and that EVERYONE, no matter who they are, should be treated equally. (this goes for ren, LRL, fi, and DZ)

BEHOLD! the start of this whole bullshit fucking thing. http://www.winbolo.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=262&start=0
as you will notice .. LRL ... FI .... etc were the cause of this entire bs thing in the firstplace .... FI's lieing is the reason my moderator status was removed for a few months period of time .... etc .... like I said .... you made your bed .... sleep in it .... I vote complete leadership change .... the leadership of winbolo needs to be a neutral 3rd party ... that doesn't make friends with anyone ... just deals out the punishment.

Min

Edit: Sheeps's name was removed, including it was an error in judgement on my part. Sorry sheepsies

I nominate myself and minn.

I am neutral!

Min wrote:

this whole thing is LRL and FI's fault in the first place ... not to mention sheeps ...... their outright lieing has cuased this problem to occur .... your leaders made your bed ... now sleep in it .... now shutthefuckup.
Min

Hey Min, I confused (not unusual) and have a few questions for you:
1. What lieing did I do?
2. How was I the cause of the deleted threads you mentioned?
3. Which bed did "we" create? The one where everyone bitches? I'm pretty sure I remember that happening a little before my time, and I'm not arrogant to think it's all just cuz of little ol me.
4. Me a leader? Nah, I'm just a sheep.

Bah, follow the flock.... Bah........Bah

sheeps wrote:

Min wrote:

this whole thing is LRL and FI's fault in the first place ... not to mention sheeps ...... their outright lieing has cuased this problem to occur .... your leaders made your bed ... now sleep in it .... now shutthefuckup.
Min

Hey Min, I confused (not unusual) and have a few questions for you:
1. What lieing did I do?
2. How was I the cause of the deleted threads you mentioned?
3. Which bed did "we" create? The one where everyone bitches? I'm pretty sure I remember that happening a little before my time, and I'm not arrogant to think it's all just cuz of little ol me.
4. Me a leader? Nah, I'm just a sheep.

Indeed, good questions.

sheeps wrote:

Hey Min, I confused (not unusual) and have a few questions for you:
1. What lieing did I do?
2. How was I the cause of the deleted threads you mentioned?
3. Which bed did "we" create? The one where everyone bitches? I'm pretty sure I remember that happening a little before my time, and I'm not arrogant to think it's all just cuz of little ol me.
4. Me a leader? Nah, I'm just a sheep.

feel free to email me if you want the actual answers to these questions, as I doubt if I reply on this forum it would be how I truly feel.
924@cablelan.net

Min

Min wrote:

sheeps wrote:

Hey Min, I confused (not unusual) and have a few questions for you:
1. What lieing did I do?
2. How was I the cause of the deleted threads you mentioned?
3. Which bed did "we" create? The one where everyone bitches? I'm pretty sure I remember that happening a little before my time, and I'm not arrogant to think it's all just cuz of little ol me.
4. Me a leader? Nah, I'm just a sheep.

feel free to email me if you want the actual answers to these questions, as I doubt if I reply on this forum it would be how I truly feel.
924@cablelan.net

Min

I believe the main question Sheeps asked was - what are the fact concerning the "lieing" that you accuse sheeps of. Facts...not feelings. Two different things big guy.

fi wrote:

I believe the main question Sheeps asked was - what are the fact concerning the "lieing" that you accuse sheeps of. Facts...not feelings. Two different things big guy.

well "big guy" this issue has been dealt with privately, and quite honestly its none of your business.

Min

Min wrote:

fi wrote:

I believe the main question Sheeps asked was - what are the fact concerning the "lieing" that you accuse sheeps of. Facts...not feelings. Two different things big guy.

well "big guy" this issue has been dealt with privately, and quite honestly its none of your business.

Min

I suppose that since you called him a liar as well it's none of his business. Riiight. This is beginning to smack of bullshit, frankly.

GODAMMIT FI AND OTHERS. It's "bigguy" not "big guy" and it's min's trademark word.

Nova wrote:

I suppose that since you called him a liar as well it's none of his business. Riiight. This is beginning to smack of bullshit, frankly.

how about mind your own business?. .... I hardly give a crap what you think. FI knows what he did, no further need to detail it here.

Min

:idea: has it come across you people yet that the more you say "back off its none of your business," the more enticed people will become and hound you for details? If you really want it to end, stop responding to this thread and deal with it privately. Has nobody thought of saying this earlier? ^#$#%@*&)!%#)&$*&!!!!!!
btw, I believe they can use "bigguy" or "big guy". would it satisfy you if they put (TM) after every time the phrase is used?
The immaturity of competent (for the most part) boloteers never ceases to boggle the mind 8)

I win.