Standards Changed??

May 18, 2004 08:26 Re: Standards Changed??
Mad Scout wrote:
But I don't remember being able to wall in lgm on Mad Bolo. I could be wrong, it's been 7 years since I've played Mac Bolo.


in macbolo, it was done a tad bit differently, you could wall a lgm like you do now if you planted a block ontop of him while he is running, but if you killed the lgm and he floated back to you and you put a block in the place he would appear ... he doesn't instantly get put inside the block ala winbolo, he was able to run around ontop of the block so that you could put your tank against the block to get him back into your tank ... so it is like him parachuting onto a building and then jumping off into your tank if you moved close enough ... same deal for landing on pillbox's I believe ...

Min

wow .. another relevant post from me .. who thought it could be possible .... *flips fi the bird*
May 18, 2004 13:12
Madd Maxx wrote:
Lol, I, personally, like the "If u can do it, DO IT" theorem. Lgm walling is quite fair, as they can EASILY kill their lgm or have their ally kill their lgm. Some ppl also have problems with mining (I have no idea why, tis an important skill that we need to revive!), hence they do not use hidden mines. I LOVE hidden mines, there is just nothing more satisfying than chasing your enemy who is frantically rushing back to his base carrying four pills with three life points left, who suddenly notices that he just got killed by a few strategically placed hidden mines.... :twisted:


I didn't really mean that the ability to wall in lgm was a GOOD thing. I think it's bad... but I think that if we had a rule or code about not walling it in, it would be too hard to enforce and it would cause more problems than it would solve. Just like carpet mining and deforestation. Yes, I try to wall in opponents' lgm when I play. And as pissed as I'd get when someone does it to me, I just deal with it 'cause I know I do the same thing. But I'd rather you not be able to do it. I wish that winbolo could be more like mac bolo in that you can do it once, but if he lands on the wall from a parachute, the tank can rescue him. That would put the game's focus on the right things.
May 18, 2004 14:02
Mad Scout wrote:
I didn't really mean that the ability to wall in lgm was a GOOD thing. I think it's bad... but I think that if we had a rule or code about not walling it in, it would be too hard to enforce and it would cause more problems than it would solve. Just like carpet mining and deforestation. Yes, I try to wall in opponents' lgm when I play. And as pissed as I'd get when someone does it to me, I just deal with it 'cause I know I do the same thing. But I'd rather you not be able to do it. I wish that winbolo could be more like mac bolo in that you can do it once, but if he lands on the wall from a parachute, the tank can rescue him. That would put the game's focus on the right things.


Yes it was harder to repeat-block a lgm in bolo, and it would be nice to see winbolo make it harder as well. (it was still possible to build lots of blocks around an lgm in bolo = same effect)

But lgm blocking is a very important skill and to say you shouldn't do it just seems silly. Why should we give a crutch to players that are careless with thier lgm? lgm strategy is one of the most imporant skills you can master. Yes it is annoying if blocked and it has happened to me also, so be careful. It's also annoying to lose your pills, shall we stop this next? :) It reminds me of how easy it was to kill an lgm a few versions ago by planting a mine where an lgm was trying to pill repair and killing him, it was a useful tactic.

Players need to learn to be careful with their lgm, and remember where they were when it dies.
May 18, 2004 19:12
sheeps wrote:
Yes it was harder to repeat-block a lgm in bolo, and it would be nice to see winbolo make it harder as well. (it was still possible to build lots of blocks around an lgm in bolo = same effect)


I agree ....

sheeps wrote:

It reminds me of how easy it was to kill an lgm a few versions ago by planting a mine where an lgm was trying to pill repair and killing him, it was a useful tactic.


don't forget the splash damage problem as well as the mine death problem .. it made lgm killing very easy ... I recall the days of using pyscho neighbour being extremely lgm dangerous.

sheeps wrote:

Players need to learn to be careful with their lgm, and remember where they were when it dies.


ya, people seem to be concentrating on the effect rather than the problem .... if your not careless with your lgm, it will never get blocked in ... I've lost to players I would refer to as ... below average becuase I was careless and they blocked my lgm ..... I deserved it ..... the solution to this problem is not to make a rule saying lgm blocking is bad ..... the solution is for people to learn to change how they play so that it no longer becomes relevant.

Min
May 18, 2004 21:24
I have to agree on the validd points that Min and sheeps have revealed to us:

1.) First of all, bolo is a game, I feel alot of ppl are tracking away from that idealism, sure there are cases were bugs do obnoxious destruction to the steps of a game, and surely there are some ppl, dialers etc, like lmyself who have a bit of lag from time to time. but all in all we are all out to do one thing,....... have fun, and be entertained by the game itself, if your after sum sorta superiority or dictatorship or power -ego trip. I think u should take up another hobby,

2.) The manners for bolo HAVE gone way downt he tubes, there is no longer any respect for others it seems, this was still an issue before the seperation from what I recognize, so I dont necessarily have a side to stand on as far as no rules vs. rules, however I must admit strongly that I think Min is sorta inevitably correct, rules and regulations do help, do I think banning ppl from irc, for cussing is the answer *shrug* dunno think it may be alil harsh but perhaps in some forms of the way the word was used and if it was directed at someone perhaps, do I think some one should be kicked off the irc channel because the operator felt intimidated or attacked and took the dominating way out to show his power over someone, nah that seems rather harsh too, but some rules keep order.

3.) oh boy this is the killer, sorry if you dislike my opinion here but it really seems valid for this situation, ok here it goes :) .........

People people people, Mines part of the game, blocks part of the game, blocking lgms part of the game, Every opportunity to advance, fluster your opponent mentally or physcially slow him down is all fair tactics, deforesting fair! I think all of u who get mad about these things are kidding yourself if you say you like bolo becuase all these elements are equally there to your use as well, once your opponent has gotten the best of you mentally with these tactics your done, and YES MINES are ment to slow you down hence the word rubble, in which it creates,

I make it a challenge to throw blocks at lgms as there returning to tanks, been sucessful a few times, in other situtaions it backfired my man was shot upon my return of it, everything has a reverse side to it, as soon as you can master the counter moves to these challenges and master them in there selves as well, I feel you will not find half of these things a issue!

In conclusion, as far as the vets leaving and coming, lets face it, the fact that alot of menance and chaos has entered and the respect flew out the door, so didi they, twas a reason I took an absence, and I have returned to more irritation, please ppl try you best to respect others and they will respect u back, and if we all have the same curtesy for one another I think the loss of vets will decrease, and the game will hype up a great deal.

Btw I know that there is a lot of friction and animosity amongst the ops of .us and .com but you all are supposed to be the leaders or the ones to set the example hence the reason u are set in charge, if you cant get along how can u expect the regulars to get along, perhaps its time to make some sorta treaty or some sorta compliance that will be a better example for the rest of the bolo world.

thanks for all of ur time!

Add-Boy


P.S. : have a really intriguing skin in the preperation, has taken me lots of time and the direction of sheeps, will hopefully be released this month!!!
May 19, 2004 00:48
addbot wrote:

Btw I know that there is a lot of friction and animosity amongst the ops of .us and .com but you all are supposed to be the leaders or the ones to set the example hence the reason u are set in charge, if you cant get along how can u expect the regulars to get along, perhaps its time to make some sorta treaty or some sorta compliance that will be a better example for the rest of the bolo world.


I doubt I will ever forgive certain people for their actions in the past(not that they've apologized .. or even think they did anything wrong), I have other plans. But either way, thats not what this thread is about .... even if we "got along" .... it wouldn't make any difference .. .com hasn't got much effect on what happens these days, so its really irrelevant what the op's there think or want anyways.

Min
May 19, 2004 02:26
Min......

Unfortunately I think that you mis read or took the wrong idea of what I wrote, or perhaps my clarity was off the wall, understand that its not necessarily what you want that has no effect, one way or the other and this isnt pointing a finger at one operator in particuliar , but its obvious that aloot ppl have there eye on all that is going on and done by each of u who have the "op priviledge" ...... I'm simply encouraging you priviledged individuals to set the best example and stop the animosity, so joe shmoe broke your GI Joe, or John doe pissed you off by being a hypocrit its time to move on and let it go, seriously its ok to never actually forget what that person did to you and by no means will you ever trust or like that person the same or at all perhaps but at least there isnt constant thread space being used for flames ans shames that are only sending the wrong message to the community of bolo and irc ,

I think that u would be surprised the effect .com would have on things if there was less friction and animosity. however I do realise and understand from your last response that would be lik me asking you to eat your greens and like them, humbleness is never an easy attribute, but it seems to be more attractive then hatred just the same!
but for what its worth, your still and always will be a bolo and irc pal of mine, no matter what, :)

Add-Boy
May 19, 2004 02:31
and you have obvious misunderstood me ... what I'm saying is that its irrlevant that I'm an irc op on .com .... becuase .com doesn't matter anymore .... Setting a good example didn't work years ago, its not going to work now.

Min
May 19, 2004 04:28 ....
well.. in my opinon, i see no issue with walling in lgm. but that my opinon. because, first of all. you are risking your own lgm being killed when u are trying to wall it in. second, you have one or MAYBE two chances to wall in the lgm. *base on how far you are from the lgm* but is it a bad thing to do? well. i don't think so. walling in lgms take times and risks, and in winbolo timing is everything. and if people has a issue with it. well, they have to deal with it in there own way. but walling in a lgm and getting punishment for it? no. that stupid to think like that. but if people really have a issue with this, than make a rule before the game starts saying you can't wall in lgms. if not. it every lgm from them self.
peace
May 19, 2004 04:46
addbot wrote:
People people people, Mines part of the game, blocks part of the game, blocking lgms part of the game, Every opportunity to advance, fluster your opponent mentally or physcially slow him down is all fair tactics, deforesting fair! I think all of u who get mad about these things are kidding yourself if you say you like bolo becuase all these elements are equally there to your use as well, once your opponent has gotten the best of you mentally with these tactics your done, and YES MINES are ment to slow you down hence the word rubble, in which it creates,

Hehe, mine-lover!
May 19, 2004 20:42
I wasn't paying attention, can someone summarize these last two pages?
May 19, 2004 22:43
Vengeance wrote:
I wasn't paying attention, can someone summarize these last two pages?

Vengeance,

You can use the little previous and next links at the top and bottom of the forum pages to read the previous two pages.
May 19, 2004 23:15
lol, ty for telling him that, Elvis.
May 20, 2004 01:13
Vengeance wrote:
I wasn't paying attention, can someone summarize these last two pages?


Well, on the past two pages, Elvis, Min and MaddMaxx have just confessed to being in a heated love triangle. The only problem is, Min is a Russian spy and MaddMaxx is a Canadian loyalist soldier. Elvis loves Min despite his ties to Russia and will do whatever he can to prevent MM from killing Min. Addbot is an assassin from North Korea that's out for the bounty on all three of their heads---a cool million apiece. The twist to that is... he's the father of Elvis, Min and MaddMaxx. And guess who the mother is? Indiana!

--Nova
May 20, 2004 03:00
nova, i want your children.
May 20, 2004 03:17
I thought you already had my children... oh, wait... YOU BITCH!!! They're ren's children! I always thought they looked a little weasely. Now I know why. You better run, bitch, before I get my hands on you.
May 20, 2004 03:27
Lolzer!
May 20, 2004 03:59
Nova wrote:
Vengeance wrote:
I wasn't paying attention, can someone summarize these last two pages?


Well, on the past two pages, Elvis, Min and MaddMaxx have just confessed to being in a heated love triangle. The only problem is, Min is a Russian spy and MaddMaxx is a Canadian loyalist soldier. Elvis loves Min despite his ties to Russia and will do whatever he can to prevent MM from killing Min. Addbot is an assassin from North Korea that's out for the bounty on all three of their heads---a cool million apiece. The twist to that is... he's the father of Elvis, Min and MaddMaxx. And guess who the mother is? Indiana!

--Nova


Holy shit! I'm married to a russian spy? Thats so bloody cool! That puts a whole new outlook on my marriage. As for the others, Elvis, and MM, whoever else .... now that I know about Min's little secret ... back off he's mine!
May 20, 2004 04:16
Sorry, you own some hot property. Expecting someone not to try to steal Min is like parking a Jaguar in the middle of a ghetto and not expecting it to either get stolen or jacked up.
May 20, 2004 05:20
lolzers!!! hehe! lol! mdr! :shock: !
May 20, 2004 05:28
What the fuck does "mdr" stand for?
May 20, 2004 06:56
Nova wrote:
Sorry, you own some hot property. Expecting someone not to try to steal Min is like parking a Jaguar in the middle of a ghetto and not expecting it to either get stolen or jacked up.


/me struts ..... woot

your a funny man nova .... its really to bad you don't like me .... we could have fun.

Min
May 20, 2004 22:10 Re: Standards Changed??
To bring this thread back on topic...
Acro wrote:
Perhaps so, but I think winbolo is experiencing 'rotationality' as well. Vets may be quitting, but newer players may be future vets: Onani, Spintega, Winger, FUBAR, Jasanimi, etc. Time will tell.


But look at the first gen vets compared to the ones you listed. Skill may dictate who is seasoned and who is not but I believe sportsmanship and maturity are more involved than skill. The whole demographic of winbolo players has and will continue to change; probably for the worst. The day that onani and his brother set the example of how to behave will be a sad, sad day for winbolo.
May 21, 2004 00:10
mdr=lol
May 21, 2004 01:46
Min wrote:
Nova wrote:
Sorry, you own some hot property. Expecting someone not to try to steal Min is like parking a Jaguar in the middle of a ghetto and not expecting it to either get stolen or jacked up.


/me struts ..... woot

your a funny man nova .... its really to bad you don't like me .... we could have fun.

Min


Well, I think you're a bit of an ass at times, but I don't really hate you. What can I say... I'm a sucker for long hair.

Hmmm... this is rather odd. When I was writing my conspiracy-theory on Elvis and co., I had expected a whole lotta backfire. When I saw the name "HostileToy" in "Recent posts" next to "Standards changing", I thought "Oh, boy... here comes a flame from Liz." It was actually a play-along. Surprise, surprise. And I've done the exact oposite thing before... done something that I thought would get absolutely no backfire and got totally flamed for it. The world's a twisted place, eh?
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