New Players inheriting the World, its too horrible to imagin

Aw man, short by one letter.

Anyway, It occurs to me that the survival of Winbolo and Winbolo.net is essentially in the new players coming to Winbolo. They are our future and in them depends the survival of Winbolo. We shouldn't shun them and turn our backs, we should show them our tactics and strategies so when the current Elite move on Winbolo will not be a prehistoric form of when no one had any skill. You remember the days when you had to ask what the little green maze thingy button was and what it was, the days when you got a pillbox but didn't know how to build it? Of course some of us are losing these memories due to being to far back. I just don't think that the newbs should be segragated but embraced as the future warriors of Winbolo. We all want Winbolo to surge on as long as possible, but all of of sense that it may be a constant stuggle, remembering the days of Mac Bolo.

To my idea...

I believe that we should have a master/apprentice program where superior player claims a Newb as their deciple to train them in the ways of WinBolo. Staying up late into the brightest hours of the morning in a arena sending messages, showing tactics, sharing what provides the most caffeine, and growing their Newb more powerful. This will also increase the number of skilled players on the net. Everyone knows that being in a game with all noobs, save for you, is horribly amusing yet devastatingly boring. It is always nice to start out a game with 4 players, 16 neutral pills and end it with a 1 to 3 struggle with 16 pills on one side, I'll let you guess which side has the pills. The apprentice shall remain silent through their training. Not allowed to post but having tom convey theirs thought through their master. But, when they are granted their freedom, I mean uh, master status, they can do as they will. We could also continue to shun all the other new players that aren't your apprentices. In addition and somewhat conclusion, Masters are limited to two apprentices and apprentices can't have two master or and apprentice.

Or we can send them to Antarctica. :D

I actually had this idea a while ago, but never got around to posting it. Or maybe I did and no one took note. Hmm, that wouldn't be new. Sounds like an okay idea... but maybe this'd work better if we had location indicators. Vet to newb: "Place it there next to that block. NO!!! Not that block! DAMMIT!!!" (Regular winbolo.) Vet to newb: "Place that pill at (125, 180). (Winbolo with location indicator). No problem.

Perhaps if we ever get this we can use shorthand for locations like 125180p to indicate a pill build at that point or 125180b. Etc.

Sounds like a great idea, this might be difficult as ppl are in different time zones, and some ppl might not like this new "hierarchy" of yours.

why arn't people doing something similar to this anyways? ... when I was a newbie there was alot of people willing to show me stuff. Almost all of it was fairly useful ..... were has all the patience gone? ...

Min

Well todays new comers are very rude and abnoxious, saying things like penius, erection, boner, etc... and also general flooding do not need any help at all. But there are some newbies that are nice and those few, I say sure why not help them out. (Unless they're the kind that don't type anything at all and keep on mining and ignoring the pleads to leave, well they don't need any help either.)

One day I was bored, so I looked through the message boards and found some people with MSN Instant Messenger. One was Madd Maxx, the other was dz. Madd Maxx was helpful a little, but dz showed me some cool pilltakes. I use them when I can, but dial-up won't let me play too often online. Those two are good guyz, you just need to get on their good sides. MM helps a lot with technical things.

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Min wrote:

why arn't people doing something similar to this anyways? ... when I was a newbie there was alot of people willing to show me stuff. Almost all of it was fairly useful ..... were has all the patience gone? ...

Min

not that im any good but if someone asks me to show them takes and stuff i always show them...or give them a link to a ''strad'' site. they dont ask. half of them tell me that they didnt want to ''read that much'' thats whats going on....its like newer players dont want to ask. if they really wanted to know then they would say something. and for some strange reason they did kinda want to know...there too lazy to follow up on it. in my opnion its pretty bad when todays new players are to lazy to learn something that is not phys. as all. shit half of them right off the boat didnt even go throught the toutorial. asking questions like...whats a boat, whats that red spiked thing shooting me, how meny lives do i get?. they just dont care. to me, u need patience to get patience.

F.U.B.A.R. wrote:

not that im any good but if someone asks me to show them takes and stuff i always show them...or give them a link to a ''strad'' site. they dont ask. half of them tell me that they didnt want to ''read that much'' thats whats going on....its like newer players dont want to ask. if they really wanted to know then they would say something. and for some strange reason they did kinda want to know...there too lazy to follow up on it. in my opnion its pretty bad when todays new players are to lazy to learn something that is not phys. as all. shit half of them right off the boat didnt even go throught the toutorial. asking questions like...whats a boat, whats that red spiked thing shooting me, how meny lives do i get?. they just dont care. to me, u need patience to get patience.

thats pretty pathetic ... sounds like they are truely not interested in improving .

Min

well explained, fube.

A master program turtorial....I've suggested it many times before.....it uses movies to show newbs tactics and pilltakes ect...not just the basics (like how to drive the tank) it should also have a GOOD CONTROL SETUP (too many newbs have the bad default one.)

Well, an EASIER (although not as great) alternative, which Elvis could quickly implement (in about a week?), would be to change a few lines of code and have the tutorial teach the key setup outlined on fi's page (here), automatically, so ppl do not have to switch keying systems (i did, and it was quite the pain at first). Please do this ELVIS!!!

-Madd Maxx-

or, elvis could simply make the default keysetup one of the decent keysetups that have been throughly outlined that way the newbies will have a good setup right from the start.

Min

yes, but having the tutorial teach you "Q" and "A", and "arrows" as the setup and having the default set to "e,s,d,f", could make things just a little, complicated :?

Min wrote:

or, elvis could simply make the default keysetup one of the decent keysetups that have been throughly outlined that way the newbies will have a good setup right from the start.

Min

This should have been done a long time ago.

Acro wrote:

This should have been done a long time ago.

I'm pretty sure I mentioned it in passing to elvis at some point ..... but as elvis himself uses the default keysetup, I think he resisted the idea. but it was awhile ago ... elvis? opinion?

Min

Ouch! How can he STAND that key setup? It sickens me!

I just lost so much respect for Elvis.

The poor drunk fool.

Well after using it for 10 years it seems easy.

When I first started playing winbolo a couple years ago I followed the whole tutorial, then I started playing on-line. I realized my skill my crap compared to the other players, so I asked what and how to do things. If these so called "newbs" are interested in winbolo they will ask for help as I did. I know of several players that are willing to help. Even a crappy veteran can show basic tactics and teach strategy. So, imo the assigning an apprentice to someone is a waste, because if someone is interested they can ask for assistance. It was after I had a grasp of the game that I sought out a mentor to fine tune my skills. Unfortunately, I have become pretty rusty today compared to my old self. So let's recap.

1. If you're a newb and you need help ask.
2. If you're a newb and anyone offers you advice accept it and learn from it
3. After you have a grasp of the game, then seek out a mentor to hone your skills.
4. Remember that there are several guides out there too that can help out a lot.
5. Practice, practice, and practice

Lastly, I think if there is a problem with vets helping newbs as far as not helping them I believe it has to do with the sudden increase in adolescents in the winbolo community. I'm not an agist, but some of these children need a timeout or a belt or something. It's their attitudes that turns off vets from wanting to help them. I can't remember a time when I first started playing where there was so much disrespect. I tried quitting because of it a month or so ago, but bolo is an addictive drug and I relapsed.

"what we do in life, echoes an eternity"

Elvis wrote:

Well after using it for 10 years it seems easy.

I'm pretty sure if you played a 1x1 with your 10 years of default keys experience against anyone with 2 years experience on the one-handed key setiup you'll end up being OWNED. :D

Simply getting advice from a vet wasn't really the whole idea here, sky. At least, it wasn't what I had in mind. What I had in mind was for when the newbie would play in a game, the vet would join the game as well and watch and give out advice. (put 2 pills here, don't refuel on that base, yadda yadda) This would be best if you could have a "spectator" point of view for watchers.

Acro wrote:

Elvis wrote:

Well after using it for 10 years it seems easy.

I'm pretty sure if you played a 1x1 with your 10 years of default keys experience against anyone with 2 years experience on the one-handed key setiup you'll end up being OWNED. :D

Is that a challenge acro? :)

Heh, I have only 10 months experience with one-hand winbolo play. :-)

Nova wrote:

Simply getting advice from a vet wasn't really the whole idea here, sky. At least, it wasn't what I had in mind. What I had in mind was for when the newbie would play in a game, the vet would join the game as well and watch and give out advice. (put 2 pills here, don't refuel on that base, yadda yadda) This would be best if you could have a "spectator" point of view for watchers.

I asked for advice when I played with vets Nova. i.e. If I played a game with Sheeps, I would ask him how I should do this or that.Then if that wasn't enough, he would start a map and demonstrate to me how it should be done. So, as I said newbs just need to ask for help or advice. Just like Ren asked me a year ago and I showed him a few things that other people had showed me.

"communication is the best way to be effective"