Vote on Forum Policy.

I am against this, Min, because I am against ANY sort/form of moderation.

-Madd Maxx-

P.S. I haven't been on IRC for a LONG time because that cunthead LRL has me banned. This is also why I haven't played much lately.

Wow FI ... that has to be the most assholeish thing I have heard spew forth from you in a very long time. Funny how you freaked out at min about when it's not even his policy - go figure - So in reality your just anti-min, not anti-authority like you claim, nice. Next time, try to take your aggression out on the right person. Min just resurrected something that sheeps posted a fair while ago, if you don't like it; take it up with the creator of the policy not the bumper. Also if you have a problem with someone maybe you should come right out and talk to them about it, instead or pretending to be "friends" with them and making it seem like you like them and then suddenly run them into the ground like you did.

I honestly think min should leave this place and this community because no matter what he does to help or contribute, he gets treated like shit by you assholes. But for some reason he has a soft spot for you, that at one point I thought I understood, but it got to the point where I just grew to hate the lame-assness of this community so much that I said fuck you all. But FI went a little too far this time especially after pretending to be min's friend - I don't care what your fucking definition of "friend" is, you don't talk so sharply about a person that you shred them, that’s not friendship by ANY definition.

Lizzie - Going back to Real Life now, because believe it or not, theres a world beyond your computer!

Hrm, world beyond the computer eh. I can't beleive it! Maybe one day i'll see this life but until then i'll just keep posting random nothing for the heck of it :lol: As for Lizzie's post, as sharp as it was, Fi's post was just his opinion and by no means reflected the community has a whole so i take offense to you calling us all assholes and saying that we've all treated min like shit. And this policy is pretty much censorship which i think threw all the junk Fi had said was his point. But im for it, im acctually pretty fed up with every forum just another window for flaming. Recently it's Fidores and Q. But there's been others. There's really no need for it ..or porn which i have yet to see on a forum but i guess it's happend. I can only assume Min had re-posted sheeps policy to get some discussion about it. And Fi gave it to him. Min wouldnt be so naive to beleif that he wouldnt get one vote against. So as "sharp" as Fi's post was, it should have been what Min expected from at least one person. All in all im going to go find this world beyond because now im just rambling on..like a rambling rambler..who rambles..a lot...hrm maybe its time for me to grow up..nope not yet..maybe..closer...almost...wait no false alarm. I guess i'll have to wait a few more years to grow up:)

Since I have a few moments before I venture out for the substance of life - coffee, I shall reply:

nobody, it was a wide sweeping statement, but take a look at my name, if I wanted to post something nice I wouldn't do it with a name like hostiletoy. I know not "everyone" has been an asshole, but you can be rest assured that I went through enough shit with min and this community to last me a lifetime which is why I use such a wide sweeping statement. As for my post, yeah it's sharp, it's meant to be, because I *thought* better of FI then to do this *again*. Of course people are going to disagree with min - who cares? - but they sure as hell don't need to be like FI, even maddmaxx was more polite.

Lizzie – Oh sweet nectar of life I am coming for you!

I havnt found that life yet, but i'll take a break from searching long enough to post. I always thought someone with a name like HostileToy would be nice :P I havnt been here too long, so i dont know what you had to put up with. But if you dont want me to assume youre nice you should change your name to HostileWeapon or something. I know when i think of a "toy" i think of something fun :lol: And i hope you've learned you lesson, never think "better" of Fi :) But heres a lil something that i dont think you've figured out about this wonderful thing we call the internet.( Internet = Opportunity for people to be dicks) People will be assholes, just for the simple fact that they can get away with it. So it'd be best to just not worry about what is said about Min on these forums, i wouldnt take anythign on here to heart and neither should he. And im sure MM only seemed more polite because he's canadian. We're like that you know :roll: Anyways if you're hopeing that no one will ever disagree so strongly as to offend youself or Min again, i wouldnt hold your breathe :lol: But alas my break is over, Time to go discover this so called "world beyond the computer" If there even is one!

These types of posts are exactly the reason Min proposed a forum moderation policy in the first place. Just cut it out and get back on topic.

I believe that FI and CF have contributed to the posts rather than destroyed them. Ever since FI and CF left the posts have been steadily getting stupider. This has to do with the fact that FI and CF actually makin funny jokes, even if they do insult other people. Recent posts have been doing nothing but insulting other people, without being funny. This turned our forums into a useless sack of posts ripping on other posts(if you look at a couple of posts before this you can see some examples).

I think that the only reasonable solution is to have 2 sections of forum, a moderated one and an unmoderated one. The moderated one will appear on the home page, which will not make the community look bad. The unmoderated one will stop the complaining of people who dont want moderation.

I like the idea of an un-moderated "junk drawer" forum, but I doubt that it'll be whine-free.

Nova wrote:

I like the idea of an un-moderated "junk drawer" forum, but I doubt that it'll be whine-free.

yah an omg we caN hav flame WaRs!!!!!11

I think you guys are all forgetting the key part of the policy.... the "only" kinds of posts that moderators can act on are ...

For inappropriate, I think we start with whats listed, and add as necessary:
- Advertisements or spam for things not bolo related.
- Porn, warez, cracks, serials, etc.
- Links to viruses or other computer damaging websites.
- No posting of illegal material
- No posting on specific methods on how to cheat/hack
- Double messages (second message can be deleted or moved to mod-only).

so, how is that different from now? ... its not really, other than we are now defining inappropriate... right now inappropriate is not definated AT ALL so me, as a moderator, has far far more freedom now to moderate posts right now than I will after this policy.... The only added feature will be a moderator only forum where we can move posts, or discuss posts before they are dealt with. But the only posts that will be moved/dealt with are ones that fall into this definition of inappropriate, therefore, The only reason we would need a 'junk drawer' is if you guys want to spam, post hacks, post illegal material, or double post...... which I feel have no place on this webforum.

Min

I believe there needs to be a rule along the lines of “Moderators can only delete their own posts if they were the last to post in a thread, and are not allowed to delete their own posts after others have posted.” Why you might ask, because normal users can’t delete their own posts after others have posted and I’ve seen a moderator to remain nameless do it before.

And no it wasn't min, as much as I'd like to say he's been a very very bad boy... I can't :/

umm, under the policy rules, moderators can't delete 'any' posts (they are simply moved to the mod forum). Everyone can edit their own posts, and its not hard to simply change what you've said after people have responded, thats why I like qouting the entire message that I'm responding to, so that people don't just edit it.

Min

To the extent of moderators discussing and voting where or not post or threads should be unlocked, removed, edited, etc. I believe the forum for those discussions should be open for public reading.

LRL wrote:

To the extent of moderators discussing and voting where or not post or threads should be unlocked, removed, edited, etc. I believe the forum for those discussions should be open for public reading.

I understand your desire for transparency, but having it open to public reading would defeat the purpose completely. Since you could just go to the mod forum and read up on all the nastiness that has been removed. Which part of the policy is to "hide" this stuff from public view, so that when new people come here, they don't see it. and judge this community based on that.

Min

I guess this just means that you'll have to ... trust ... that the moderators doing things properly, and since, me, sheeps, fermat, elvis, are all moderators....... We arn't morons, we can follow the very explicit rules that are listed here.

Min

Min wrote:

I guess this just means that you'll have to ... trust ... that the moderators doing things properly, and since, me, sheeps, fermat, elvis, are all moderators....... We arn't morons, we can follow the very explicit rules that are listed here.

Min

Trust is earned, NOT thrust upon!

I didn’t say they needed to see the offending post. People have the right to see the decision making process of which they could be subject to.

For example, min removed a post, he starts by posting a new topic offending post say #21 (having labeled the moved post this) and he gives a quick description of the offending post. Such as, “It gives detailed info on how to hack!” Add a link to the moved post in the moderator only forum, then mods can go read it but users cannot. Yet the public still gets to see the process.

LRL wrote:

Trust is earned, NOT thrust upon!

Then explain why you hijacked the IRC server completely, created a new server, moved everyone over there, etc ..... that trust was not earned, it was thrust upon .....

LRL wrote:

I didn’t say they needed to see the offending post. People have the right to see the decision making process of which they could be subject to.

This is a internet forum, not criminal law.

LRL wrote:

For example, min removed a post, he starts by posting a new topic offending post say #21 (having labeled the moved post this) and he gives a quick description of the offending post. Such as, “It gives detailed info on how to hack!” Add a link to the moved post in the moderator only forum, then mods can go read it but users cannot. Yet the public still gets to see the process.

This is not feasible due to how phpbb works lrl, not without severe modifications, you know this, why are you stirring the pot? the post gets moved, people vote, done ... this isn't rocket science, This is far more complex than most forums have in place, where you just get your post deleted, if you snivel about it, your snivelling post is deleted, you get sent a email warning, if you mistbehave again, your account is locked ... period .. end of discussion, there is no transparency, there is nothing to make sure the moderators do their jobs properly..... And quite honestly, all this in unnessicary, but becuase its what overly paranoid people want, its being implemented anyways .... (you, and fi ..... very paranoid that your fragile internet forum posting rights might be stepped on).

Min

Min wrote:

LRL wrote:

I didn’t say they needed to see the offending post. People have the right to see the decision making process of which they could be subject to.

This is a internet forum, not criminal law.
Min

Min, you must be the criminal and this is simply the law you don't want to see adopted. I don't imagine you like it being against the law to murder someone either...

Min wrote:

LRL wrote:

For example, min removed a post, he starts by posting a new topic offending post say #21 (having labeled the moved post this) and he gives a quick description of the offending post. Such as, “It gives detailed info on how to hack!” Add a link to the moved post in the moderator only forum, then mods can go read it but users cannot. Yet the public still gets to see the process.

This is not feasible due to how phpbb works lrl, not without severe modifications, you know this, why are you stirring the pot? the post gets moved, people vote, done ... this isn't rocket science, This is far more complex than most forums have in place, where you just get your post deleted, if you snivel about it, your snivelling post is deleted, you get sent a email warning, if you mistbehave again, your account is locked ... period .. end of discussion, there is no transparency, there is nothing to make sure the moderators do their jobs properly..... And quite honestly, all this in unnessicary, but becuase its what overly paranoid people want, its being implemented anyways .... (you, and fi ..... very paranoid that your fragile internet forum posting rights might be stepped on).

Min

Actually this is complete feasible and it would be rather simple to setup. But you just want to say it's impossible to try and shoot it down and keep things out of the light in a back of the room fashion. You've always wanted this, and that thinking is bad for any community.

This is not other forums, if it was, you would not be a moderator and this community’s history wouldn’t apply.

Frankly min, I've seen you abuse your powers on the forum as is. Simple to suite your own little self superiority needs.

LRL wrote:

Min, you must be the criminal and this is simply the law you don't want to see adopted. I don't imagine you like it being against the law to murder someone either...

huh?

LRL wrote:

Actually this is complete feasible and it would be rather simple to setup. But you just want to say it's impossible to try and shoot it down and keep things out of the light in a back of the room fashion. You've always wanted this, and that thinking is bad for any community.

I have? .... you know what I've always wanted? Strange. The reason that its not feasible is becuase there is noone around who will do it lrl, and I certainly wouldn't trust you with it.

LRL wrote:

This is not other forums, if it was, you would not be a moderator and this community’s history wouldn’t apply.

I wouldn't be a moderator? .. interesting, who are you to make that distinction? ... I also noticed how you completely avoided my statement refering to you forcing the community to do what you want it to .... nice

LRL wrote:

Frankly min, I've seen you abuse your powers on the forum as is. Simple to suite your own little self superiority needs.

You have? .... when? ... when I deleted some posts about threatening to peoples lives, etc awhile back? .... It's pretty obvious to me you must want that sort of thing on this forum... so that people will begin to hate it, and you can complete your complete takeover of the winbolo community by forcing people to switch over to your little forum on .us ....

Its strange how things always come back to you guys thinking I have all these self superiority needs, all this need for power, etc etc etc, I'm not the one in this community who has a thirst for power LRL, I'm not the one that staged a complete irc take over so that they could be in complete control, nor am I the one who continually attempts to undermine the community so that they can continue to control them. .... nor am I the one that implemented flimsy IRC "policies" that doesn't really do anything but make people think that things are all ok .... This community is rotting lrl, and you are at the core. I have no desire for power in this community, I have no desire for any sort of control, but that won't change that you and FI are going to continue to post claiming I do ...... This forum policy is not about me, its about all the moderators, and their abilities to prevent this forum from continueing as a good friends refered them to me ..... a 2nd grader in a bathroom stall..... but that will never be good enough for you until you have full control lrl..... and thats ok, your lust for power will eventually turn everyone against you. Everyone hated me becuase I was a jerk, not becuase I had any sort of lust for power.

Min

Min wrote:

This is far more complex than most forums have in place, where you just get your post deleted, if you snivel about it, your snivelling post is deleted, you get sent a email warning, if you mistbehave again, your account is locked ... period .. end of discussion.

Let's just do this! If it didn't work, all of the larger communities wouldn't be doing it. As for the whining we'd get if we did this, go ahead - ask me if I care. :)

Yiiikes!

I sort of shaddowed this forum for a bit, choosing to stay out of it for the short term. Not as a fence sitter I assure you, but I wanted to see who the rats were that would shoot out of the wood pile as it were stirred up.

To my surprise there were two individuals which determined structure and policy as unjust and malpractice, yet these same two people apply such a malpractice to the "community" indefinitely. Sure you agree with the policy as long as the enforcers are people whom you feel share views that you do, and hold the same sort of "grudges" that you hold on individuals.

You say that without Min as a mod, you feel the policy is ok? It is sheer reality that if Elvis gave Min the responsibility as a moderator, he is indeed qualified. By saying you think Min is non-qualified to uphold this policy, created btw by a .us operator alone, and presented to min by that exact same operator, you are not only challenging one of your operators decisions, but you are challenging Elvis's judgement as well.

As it is not abnormal for one or both of these two individuals (whom btw I have left there names unstated and for the reader to determine whom I speak of) to embellish the word friendship with certain individuals and then turn around and step all over that masked realationship, I will do what you two have been unable to do with min forever, and not hold those past opinions and observations against you today. They are in the past and I will pave a view for the future.

I am in a hundred percent agreeance with this forge for a better policy in this community. Seems (unlike one of the individuals stated about me in other posts) they too have sticks that need removed from there butts. After all were all sick of hearing you whine about the pain endeavored upon sitting down on them, so either pull them out, I agree perhaps its time those two moved on and left for good.

In closing, it is not a bad thing to stay open to change and modification of nething, as much as change and structure can and always will be a pain, it is for the better, and it is to each one of our benefits to realise how we can take that change as make it better ourselves.

Addy

After hearing everyone's argument, and seeing Min CRUSH LRL in argument, I am now officially CHANGING MY VOTE in favour of the proposed new policy. Min is right, the community is shrinking. I personally blame LRL, as he is perpetually trying to kick even ME out of this community (via bans &c.). We could really use a forum policy like this! A moderated place for general semi-intelligent WinBolo discussion which would show up on the front page and would thus attract new players, AND a place for morons to argue and bitch at eachother like morons. I fully support this, unless LRL becomes a moderator, as he has been corrupted by the search for more power. Good idea Min!!

-Madd Maxx-

P.S. I would also like to see the olde .com #winbolo taken back from the clutches of LRL. If he is just going to make it a re-direct to his server, it is a waste of a server. Give it to someone who will use it, LRL.

I think that the policy will eliminate the possibility of a dictatorship because of the voting. I do however think that the process of the mods should be public though.

Just for everyone's information, I believe it was Elvis who had .com re-direct to the .us server.

Nova wrote:

Just for everyone's information, I believe it was Elvis who had .com re-direct to the .us server.

To be fully honest, I requested that Elvis redirect .com to .us .... .com was dead, seemed pointless to continue to have the community split like that. Just ment that older players would not have been going to the right place, and I didn't want to be cause of further degration of the player base.

Min

First off, I don’t recall acquiring any ‘trust’ with anything IRC related.

The other forums crack was simply that, if this were just another forum I wouldn’t be here, nor would min nor anyone, use your fucking brain for something else then filling the space between your ears.

And min, I don’t see where any of my suggestions requires modification beyond simply going into the admin panel and creating some forums and setting some permissions. I do like your twisting of things min, rich very rich…