Mean players

:cry: I would justl ike to say how pissed off I am, that after 5 years of not playing Bolo, I download WinBolo and join a game, only to get shunned upon cause Im new and forget how to play.

Players were calling me a newbie and a loser just cause I was trying to get back into a game I used to LOVE.

This is really sad that bolo players need to degrate themselves to active like bullies. It must be so they can get tank kills for this webpage and look 3l33t.

Someone should tell them this is Bolo, and that it closer resembles Mindsweeper, and not a real game like Quake 3 Arena

vertigo wrote:

:cry: I would justl ike to say how pissed off I am, that after 5 years of not playing Bolo, I download WinBolo and join a game, only to get shunned upon cause Im new and forget how to play.

Players were calling me a newbie and a loser just cause I was trying to get back into a game I used to LOVE.

This is really sad that bolo players need to degrate themselves to active like bullies. It must be so they can get tank kills for this webpage and look 3l33t.

Someone should tell them this is Bolo, and that it closer resembles Mindsweeper, and not a real game like Quake 3 Arena

Vertigo, being one of those "mean" players, let me respond on a few points, though I never called you loser or any other mean name.

You started early in two games in a row (that I saw), and you didn't stop when we asked you to stop. Many experienced players get annoyed with this type of behavior. Since you started early, me and someone else started to play. You eventually lost your pills and bases and then asked for an ally. With only 3 players in the game, this didn't seem like it would be fair, so neither one of us allied you. I guess you also found this mean.

If you want to get back playing bolo, then have some consideration for other players and read the message bar, this is a multi-player game. I have no problem helping new/rusty players, but it works both ways.

And lets talk about mean. In the game before this 1x1x1, you and I were playing and 1x1. All was going well and when I took a few pills of yours (I might also add you started early in this game as well), you yelled out a few "mean" names at me, for I guess, for taking your pills. Since I had not said anything to you previously, I guess this is the type of player you are, so maybe you should remember this is a game, and you should relax and not lash out at the first opportunity. I'll also point out that my response was that I was "just playing the game".

As a last point, I do agree that some players today seem to lash out at newbies a little too much. Not many are trying to help the new talent as much as they could, and this is a shame.

Good luck if you keep playing, it's always good to see old-timers.

Sheeps

Before I even read the the long explanation about why such meaness was appropriate, I would like to state something which should apply to all newbie situations.

It's up to the experienced player to politely (or at least not in an insulting manner) let the player know about basic bolo etiquette and to give the new player some respect and patience.

That said, and after reading sheep's reply, after you've told them and given them a fair chance, go ahead and be "mean" (within reason), I don't think anyone can blame you for such a response. But always see the newbie as innocent until proven guilty, otherwise the number of new players will dwindle.

-Canuck
http://andrewroth.ca

no hard feelings taken, cheers guys :D

im getting sick of newbies.....i usually play open games and lately ive started to play strict games. too many times people just start whenever they feel like it. i may not be the best bolo player as many people probably know but i consider myself decent. it just pisses me off when newbies come in and dont know or dont care how strict games work.

hey! i take offence to that! I dont think of myself as a newb bolo player. i used to play this game @ school on macs like back in 1996 and i just started playing again recently. I know the concept of the game, but am not used to the online aspect of it (organizing teams, starting the game together, etc.)

im sure i will run into most of u in the servers, i hope u will help me learn about this game and community.

iv mostly only played ra3 (a quake 3 mod) on eastcoast servers and chatted on mIRC, enterthegame server

later guys :lol:

shit happens.

Sheeut, I was playin Mac bolo when you were a freshman in high school and even back then everyone decent knew to wait for others to join and establish teams before starting. You must have played for all of a week in '96! Anyhow, welcome the winbolo, the multi-player networked tank game where everyone waits for teams before they start unless they're trolling in an open game. Enjoy!

Kujo wrote:

sheeps wrote:

Vertigo, being one of those "mean" players, let me respond on a few points,
Sheeps

oh crap sheeps is mean now??? well i dont know where i would fit in with this game today :/

There's always love for you kujo!

Wow, someone else in my boat. I just started playing bolo again, i played it back in 96 on my highschool network, it rocked back then with me and my friends, and i forgot about it until i was reading the Bolo series of books again :). Anyway, I haven't played in on the net yet, i'm still getting used to playing it on my laptop, curse that small keyboard. I can't wait to play online though :) :) :), doubtless my wife will roll her eyes when i start though....curse her powers of persuasion. all in all, I'd have to say that Bolo is probably one of my top 10 games of All time.

sitTinG dUck

vertigo wrote:

:Someone should tell them this is Bolo, and that it closer resembles Mindsweeper, and not a real game like Quake 3 Arena

being a fairly good quake 3 player(i play in the highest echelon of cpm tdm) and a fairly newbish bolo player(like others, I used to play on macs at my highschool in 96/97), saying that bolo is closer to mindsweeper is pretty ridiculous.

As far as strategy goes, bolo is easily as complex as q3. the main difference for FPS games like q3 is the aim necessary to be a top level player takes literally years of practice to acquire. bolo, however, requires less practice for things like efficient pill taking, etc.

Now, as I am pretty newbish in bolo strategy, and can even perceive that there *is* a bolo strategy immediately, that marks a stark contrast where very few people recognize that quake strategy exists until they get aim and wonder how they still get smashed by players with inferior mousing skills.

q3 strategy consists of self positioning, knowledge of your opponents position and item timing/collection. bolo strategy, it seems, consists of those three aspects + positioning of said collected items, although timing ceases to be a factor.

is bolo strategy as deep or deeper than q3 strategy? maybe i'll find out. I am excited to still see the bolo community alive, and i have decided to dedicate some time to becoming proficient in the game.

This is madd maxx speaking. I would just like to say that even though bolo seems to be a much simpler game (and in most ways, it is) I think that it equals in stratagy to q3 and UT2003! Post a reply skelter!! :evil: :twisted: :!:

ok first off - there is no strategy in ut2k3.

and you have to give me something new to talk about for me to have a meaningul reply.

strange. I think games like quake 3 and ut don't have any strategy at all .. neither of them do .... you aim a weapon ... you shoot it ... you run around and collecting items ... then shoot the weapons some more .... its more just knowing were items are(which could take awhile due to variations possible for maps) and being able to aim ...... were as Bolo is more akin to chess. as has been said many times, tactics are what you do, strategy is why you do it. saying that being able to learn pilltakes n'such quite easily is not really relevant since well .. a monkey can click fire in a FPS type game and thats all the tactics there is in a FPS. not to mention it seems like your completely biased towards quake 3, I feel both quake 3 and ut2k3 have the possibility for the same amount of strategy. they are after all the same type of game .. with the same sort of weapons just different graphics and different maps.

Min

Yes, I have an obvious bias towards q3. I'll admit it freely.

But assuming there is no strategy in a game you have never played for three years for multiple hours a day(like me heh) is as foolish as the other guy comparing bolo to mine sweeper. Please, give my respect for you as a gamer and not just a bolo player a chance!

uh, first, don't assume I havn't played q3 for times similar to that ..... considering you know nothing about me ...... so .. have you played ut2k3 for 3 years for 2+ hours a day? ..... if thats the requirement before being able to have an opinion on weither the game requires any "strategy" or not ... then you shouldn't be able to have an opinion on many games .. (seems to me you couldn't possibly play more than 2 games that much) I personally have at times played winbolo for 10-16 hours a day ...... for extended periods. ask any "bologod" type player (I'm not one of those btw) such as samhain, sloth, drad(when in good playing form) severian, palp. etc.... who've all been faithful to bolo in some form for years and you'll realize there is far more depth to bolo than what you seem to. I personally can see how there is small amounts of strategy in a game like quake 3, but honestly can't imagine how much strategy could be involved in a game were the items don't move .... and all you have to do is collect them in the "perfect" order while blasting those who get in your way ... perhaps their some strategy involved in figureing out the movement pattern's of your enemies. but other than that ......... if you look at my website I wrote 25+ pages of "strategy/tactics" on winbolo. its not very good ... but if a crappy player like me can spew that amount about winbolo. imagine what someone like samhain could say.

Min

ps. just friendly arguementive banter. don't take anything personally ... I like to argue :P

Min wrote:

ps. just friendly arguementive banter. don't take anything personally ... I like to argue :P

understood from the very beginning.

My bias towards q3 is just a representation of the rift between the communities of any two FPS games. Any comments I have about the inadequacy of ut2k3 should not be taken seriously, as I have never actually played the game(Though I have played Unreal Tournament, and my favorite quote about that game is that it is like "swimming through shit" physics wise).

I did not assume that you hadn't played q3 for copious hours per day until you said something about a monkey and aim, I forget the details. Let me give this as an example - I have been playing q3 four three years, pretty seriously. My aim is as good as anyone's. It is certainly not the limiting factor in 1v1(in fps games we say 1v1 instead of 1x1, and I'm not quite sure why 3v3s are called 3x3s, implying nine players, but thats irrelevant). Yet still people on the top level of q3 dueling don't break a sweat defeating me by scores like 25-4, etc. But when I play with these people in Team DM I hold my own quite well. Now, I know the layout of all the popular 1v1 maps by heart, I know when all the items spawn, and I am pretty confident in my ability to place the enemy throughout the game, yet I still get hammered. Why? Because I am not an expert on q3 dueling strategy, and these people are. TDM is another matter.

well honestly, I don't think thats why you get hammered. there is no real strategy involved in those sorts of games. I've played ut2k3 quite a bit .. TDM is like you say a completely different story ... which we shall leave out for this conversation I think .... my brothers are pretty awsume at ut2k3 on the xbox and tend to smash most people they play against. and when I'm there, I'm fairly equal with them. why is that?. honestly I don't feel you can compare a fps game to winbolo strategy wise ... its like trying to compare fps to chess .... doesn't work.

Min

Min wrote:

well honestly, I don't think thats why you get hammered. there is no real strategy involved in those sorts of games. I've played ut2k3 quite a bit .. TDM is like you say a completely different story ... which we shall leave out for this conversation I think .... my brothers are pretty awsume at ut2k3 on the xbox and tend to smash most people they play against. and when I'm there, I'm fairly equal with them. why is that?. honestly I don't feel you can compare a fps game to winbolo strategy wise ... its like trying to compare fps to chess .... doesn't work.

Min

I'm afraid it is, Min. I'm afraid it is. You're just going to have to take my word for it. And saying "there is no bit of real strategy"...I'm sorry but that is a foolish thing to say. Any game with a complex enough rule system is going to have strategy. And for people who play four hours a day, six days a week, for six years(q1, q2, q3) that strategy evolves into a truly impressive beast. I have been playing q3 1v1 for about three months(tdm much longer), which is why my strategy is not up to par with these others.

also: no one is awesome at ut2k3 on the xbox. It is impossible to aim with a controller. The reason you are equal with them is because *neither of you understand the strategy in FPS games*.

well, at this point I will simply say we'll have to disagree with each other ... I honestly believe you are wrong ... and you believe I'm wrong ... so I think we should leave it at that.

Min

ah but we are arguing about something within the domain of my experience and outside the domain of yours. for instance, if I were insisting bolo was akin to minesweeper then that would be ridiculous, but I agree this argument is overdrawn.

First person shooters are gay, period. Winbolo rules the universe, period. Any questions?

nope, no questions here stimpy ....

Min

This is Madd Maxx Speaking... Yeah! On april 2nd @ 3:20 pm. Spartacus took one of my pills after i sent a message to him telling him that they were mine. I also had some other A$$H0LEZ steal pills right out from under my nose after i killed them. They we also on my team. Some people dont' have any sportsmanship! Also, remember ppl that this thread is on "mean players" not Q3!
:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

-Madd Maxx-

What most of you guys consider "mean" isen't just simply being unseasoned you don't know what's intended as mean and what's something els. This is after all a battle game, with a somewhat mean envirment. As for him taking "your pills" they were actuly the teams pills. Maybe he needed one for something.

I realy don't see anying I would consider mean, going on. Sure sometimes newbies start befor teams and go is called. Then ppl are mean to them, but after being told repeated times.... Seems to me this is more of a thread for ppl to bitch about other ppl....

LRL :x