Kazaa/P2P

Aug 13, 2003 02:02 Kazaa/P2P
Please, if you answer no to the poll, sign the petition.
Keep P2P Sharing legal. Click Here
Aug 13, 2003 05:11
I have signed this petition! :D

-Madd Maxx-
Aug 14, 2003 00:23
Thanks Maxx... Everyone who believes in Kazaa being good (including Maxx), please, sign the petition and pass it around, or the government will take over a whole damn lot of PC's... (Way over 10,000,000 o.O)
Aug 14, 2003 01:06
Everyone uses P2P
Aug 14, 2003 03:36
ya, when soo many ppl use it, the "governement" cant really enforce their laws.

-Madd Maxx-
Aug 14, 2003 03:59
Everyone uses P2P

I have not used a P2P application.
Aug 14, 2003 04:24
ya, but ur not in north america....
Aug 14, 2003 04:45
you don't have to be in north america to use P2P, the internet is the same everywhere
Aug 14, 2003 07:00
no shit sj, But maybe pplz in foreign countries dont use p2p stuff.
Sep 02, 2003 19:04 ...
what is the url for the p2p?
Sep 02, 2003 21:42
Well, It depends what you want. It's not ACTUALLY a website, it's a program you download. Just make sure when you install it to "unshare" all the files you don't want seen. Or, you can dig into other people's privacy my doing a search for their documents or whatever. Kazaa Roulette my friends.
Sep 02, 2003 22:45 Re: ...
indiana wrote:
what is the url for the p2p?


There is no url, p2p means "peer-to-peer". That means that (usually) everyone connects to a network and exchanges files p2p. This means that the files are exchanged directly from one persons computer to another persons computer. Thus, there isn't any server that ppl dowload all the files from. p2p is great cause of fast downloads (usually, unless ur downloading offa some dial-up user) and cause anyone can share any thing they want! If you make a new hack for a game, just put it in ur "shared files" folder and soon every1 will have it (assuming its for a popular game). The most popular (the best) p2p software is definetly Kazaa. You can download it off Kazaa.com!

-Madd Maxx-
Sep 15, 2003 10:43
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Sep 16, 2003 00:56
.::jhood::. wrote:
ya, when soo many ppl use it, the "governement" cant really enforce their laws.

so thats how the law works?
maybe if everyone started killing each other, theyd make murder legal too!

hmmmm.......i guess theyre just gonna make it a legal for p2p sharing cuz so many ppl use it its just too hard to control.........plus its not really that big a law........murder, on the other hand..... :oops: :lol: :P :wink: :roll:
Sep 16, 2003 10:15
I think kazaa and the other p2p programs rob the software/music makers. Regardless what people think when they use them, for each song or program they download someone else losses money. It’s really as simple as that.

The big problem with controlling or stopping a p2p program like kazaa is the way machines interconnect in a peer to peer fashion, the network is decentralized. This basically means there is no central server or group of servers for the network. For example, if the government ever wanted to take the network down, it would be nearly impossible as it would have to somehow remove the thousands of Kazaa clients that are running on homes and workplaces across the globe. Kazaa is smart in this way because it avoids the problems that Napster had. Napster used a central server that all clients connected to upon startup. So when the RIAA realized the amount of revenue it was losing by the massive sharing, it promptly shut down the server and took most of the Napster network with it.
Oct 07, 2003 00:55
File-sharing is wrong. It violates copyright laws. How would you feel if you invented something that would have earned you millions but everyone just took it and copied the idea and said 'tough luck'. I have used it in the past to get some movies and mp3s. But I'm slowly killing my dependence on it...I'm not comfortable using it like I once was.

Can someone answer my question? If I move all my mp3s to the back-up hard drive, can legal snoopers see what I have if they come look? Or by removing the files from the OS disk where Kazaa is located, can anyone link those existing files to kazaa usage? What I mean to say is, can I avoid being sued by running kazaa but not sharing anything?

and Elvis, rock on....you haven't become hooked on the kazaa 'cigarette'.
Oct 07, 2003 02:14
the artists who make music dont get payment for music downloaded..........and if they dont, they wont make music anymore, thus there WILL be no more music..........catch my drift?
Oct 07, 2003 02:37
I Sign
Oct 07, 2003 03:24
Q-mandabomb wrote:
the artists who make music dont get payment for music downloaded..........and if they dont, they wont make music anymore, thus there WILL be no more music..........catch my drift?

That's the problem with musicians today: They're in it for the money, not the music, this is why so many bands careers only last 6 months or less (they pop out a few songs then stop, or make some more really shitty 1's)
Oct 07, 2003 06:12
What I mean to say is, can I avoid being sued by running kazaa but not sharing anything?

I dont believe the RIAA is sueing the little members yet, just the big sites/users who have thousands of songs available for download.
ya, when soo many ppl use it, the "governement" cant really enforce their laws.

That just strikes me as funny.
Oct 07, 2003 11:06
Acro wrote:
Can someone answer my question? If I move all my mp3s to the back-up hard drive, can legal snoopers see what I have if they come look? Or by removing the files from the OS disk where Kazaa is located, can anyone link those existing files to kazaa usage? What I mean to say is, can I avoid being sued by running kazaa but not sharing anything?

What do you mean by legal snoopers? Just browsing what you have in Kazaa? Well, what you need to do is put those mp3s into a folder that is NOT shared in Kazaa. And no, you can't be sued because you are running Kazaa, as I believe the Federal Courts ruled that p2p programs can't be held responsible for what users do with them, just as VCR manufacturers can't be held responsible for people taping movies on TV.
Oct 07, 2003 11:36
I believe the Federal Courts ruled that p2p programs can't be held responsible for what users do with them, just as VCR manufacturers can't be held responsible for people taping movies on TV.

Thats why Napster was shut down. Of course they got hit harder because they were centralized, but KaZaa will have its day...
Oct 07, 2003 13:26
Guess I will add my two cents: It sounds a bit extreme to say that all P2P is bad, just because some people use it for bad. There are good and legal ways to use P2P that don't include music and movies. What's next, ban guns and crack!?! where will it end?

As far as copyrights go, I can make a video copy of a movie I own or a tape/cd copy of music I own, and LEGALLY give it out to my friends (it's called fair use). It can be debated that this is what P2P does, since there is no selling going on. It just so happens that copyright law needs to be updated to take into account the Internet.

There are also studies that show some people who P2P a lot are music buffs and also buy more CDs cuz of it, so maybe the greedy record companies are just worried that they won't be able to charge anymore $15 for something that costs .05 to make and much less then $1 goes to the artists.
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Oct 07, 2003 13:43
Section 107. Limitations on exclusive rights:
Fair Use.

Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for the purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include-

(1) the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;

(2) the nature of the copyrighted work;

(3) the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and

(4) the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.

The fact that a work is unpublished shall not itself bar a finding of fair use if such finding is made upon consideration of all the above factors."

-United States Copyright Act
(17 U.S.C. 107, 1988 ed. and Supp. IV)


*Located on the back of a d-12 album*
Unauthorized duplication is a violation of applicable laws.

I believe 'Fair Use' means you can make one copy of it for personal use, like a backup. Sheeps, your opinion is WRONG. :P
Oct 07, 2003 16:01
Trillion wrote:
*Located on the back of a d-12 album*
Unauthorized duplication is a violation of applicable laws.

I believe 'Fair Use' means you can make one copy of it for personal use, like a backup. Sheeps, your opinion is WRONG. :P


If you read the points you pasted, it is fine to make copies as long as the overall portion is small and doesnt effect the overall market. So I could make quiet a few copies (hundreds maybe) and not be in vilolation (there is no black and white for this), and yes I can give them out.

The record companies want to blame P2P for the decrease of sales, but I'm not too sure. We are in one of the biggest recessions of the last 15 years and during the peak of Napster, sales growth was still increasing.

Don't believe everything they print on a sales package designed by a record company, do you think they are unbiased? And as far as my opinion, I said the there were legal uses for P2P and that I can make a small number of legal copies of material I own (like it is possible with video tapes - nowhere does the law say "you can only make one copy or we will hunt you down and take away your first born male child"), which you have yet to counter. :P
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