yet another post on cheating.

ok....heres my take.
i think it is wrong to admit there are cheats. i think such things should be regulated. cheats and hacks to me are the end of this game. i think it will be the downfall to bolo as played on the net. as long as there is something to gain u are going to have people who want it and will cheat for it....dont act like u didnt do it at least once in highschool...sure u dont have the knowlege u needed to complete that home work but u got an a+ for cheating on it....... if u got the grade is it really going to matter in the longrun....most will say no but we all know that it does. its time to think about the future of winbolo. if there are post and instructions on how to use cheats and links to the site on researching them on the very and only forum about win bolo we have a prob. its just makeing it that much more simple and common to use them. when i first typed ''bolo'' into a search eng. just to see what would come up this site did....the first thing i did was sigh up and read all i could about this shit...and thats what every one is doing right now. if your a noob u get beat..u get beat all the time..and it gets frustrating...so y not use a cheat or hack? shit i just hooked up to this site an already know they exist....and its that kind of thinking that ruins this game because every one will have cheats on command just like a brain or bot.....sooner or later there will be no such thing as a fiar game ranked by skill....it will be a game ruled by the one with the most cheats on the table. now i may be riduculed for posting something like this but its my opnion and im tellin it like i see it.

Cheats are great! If there were never any cheats.....Elvis would never update winbolo!!! Cheats give him a reason to update it (thus, new features)

There are two ways we can go on this:

1. Allow everyone to cheat. If everyone has hacks and cheats, then the playing field is level. Everyone has immune tanks that are invisible, can go 100mph (160kph) , has immune pills. Games could last days!

2. In the next release, add serial numbers to all copies. when someone plays a logged game (one where stats are recorded on winbolo.com). The serial number is verified.

If people report somone as a cheat, that player will have no more than 1/2 capacity, tanks move like they are in swamps, fire rate is 1/2. Until a preprescribed ban is lifted.

This could be implemented like this:

...1) All copies of winbolo are downloaded from winbolo.com. The copy is assigned a serial# at download time.
...2) When the person connects to winbolo.com to play a logged game, the serial# is verified.
...3) All other players can see the serial#
...4) Reports are made on the player and serial#

wonka wrote:

There are two ways we can go on this:

1. Allow everyone to cheat. If everyone has hacks and cheats, then the playing field is level. Everyone has immune tanks that are invisible, can go 100mph (160kph) , has immune pills. Games could last days!

2. In the next release, add serial numbers to all copies. when someone plays a logged game (one where stats are recorded on winbolo.com). The serial number is verified.

If people report somone as a cheat, that player will have no more than 1/2 capacity, tanks move like they are in swamps, fire rate is 1/2. Until a preprescribed ban is lifted.

This could be implemented like this:

...1) All copies of winbolo are downloaded from winbolo.com. The copy is assigned a serial# at download time.
...2) When the person connects to winbolo.com to play a logged game, the serial# is verified.
...3) All other players can see the serial#
...4) Reports are made on the player and serial#

good idea...but what if someone isnt guilty of using a cheat? thats not fair.(if only on eperson accuses them of doing it. i think it should be made so we can have a certain number of ppl report that that person is using the same hack in a same or different game. then we can give them all these little gifts of half armour, half ammo, moving slowly, ect. or perhaps we could just ban them as i doubt they would want to play with al that stuff weighing them down and making them crap (which they probably are, seeing the fact that they need to use hacks in the first place...)

i think it should be made so we can have a certain number of ppl report that that person is using the same hack in a same or different game. then we can give them all these little gifts of half armour, half ammo, moving slowly, ect. or perhaps we could just ban them as i doubt they would want to play with al that stuff weighing them down and making them crap (which they probably are, seeing the fact that they need to use hacks in the first place...)

Bad idea, we dont want to turn this into a popularity contest. Certain ppl would form groups just to get every1 else banned.

Madd Maxx wrote:

i think it should be made so we can have a certain number of ppl report that that person is using the same hack in a same or different game. then we can give them all these little gifts of half armour, half ammo, moving slowly, ect. or perhaps we could just ban them as i doubt they would want to play with al that stuff weighing them down and making them crap (which they probably are, seeing the fact that they need to use hacks in the first place...)

Bad idea, we dont want to turn this into a popularity contest. Certain ppl would form groups just to get every1 else banned.

people wouldnt have a bad reputation in the first place if they didnt do sumthing bad to make people not like them.......like hack....or cheat........and it would be a high amount of ppl or w/e.......and theyd have to give proof of the hack......not just vote they saw it...though i CAN see your point.....

MadMaxx, I thought about what you posted before i made my post, and more since you made it.

Right now, a ban of someone can occur based on whatever subjective basis is currently used. So in that respect, there is no difference between the two methods.

What this allows is player name association with IP address and serial#. It is a little tighter control over those that use hacks. Is it fool proof, nope. Is it a step in the right direction, yes.

If people know that it is easier to get caught, there is less tendency to use them for fear of being caught and banned, or worse, made to play at 1/2 speed.

wonka wrote:

What this allows is player name association with IP address and serial#. It is a little tighter control over those that use hacks. Is it fool proof, nope. Is it a step in the right direction, yes.

If people know that it is easier to get caught, there is less tendency to use them for fear of being caught and banned, or worse, made to play at 1/2 speed.

Interesting idea Wonka, but I don't know if it would be worth the trouble of assigning a serial number. Since winbolo is free to download, why couldn't they just have a few copies on their pc? I have found that you don't have to be some complicated to stop cheating.

My simple run is this, if I see cheating or I hear about cheating from a few reliable players who first-hand witnessed the event, I can ban that person from my game server. I usually try and warn them, so they know why it is happening and how they can prevent it. So far, everyone I have come across has stopped using cheats, or are not allowing on my servers which I hope will create a 'fair' location for games.

It's pretty easy now to record someone's dns and to have an idea who it is. But the bigger problem is that some people think everything they don't like is cheating. I have been called a cheater by many new players, just because I can avoid getting shot at times or can take a few pills quickly.

- Sheeps

Right now, a ban of someone can occur based on whatever subjective basis is currently used. So in that respect, there is no difference between the two methods.

What this allows is player name association with IP address and serial#. It is a little tighter control over those that use hacks. Is it fool proof, nope. Is it a step in the right direction, yes.

If people know that it is easier to get caught, there is less tendency to use them for fear of being caught and banned, or worse, made to play at 1/2 speed.

Fuck that serial number shit! like sheeps said:"they could just keep a few copies on their computer". Btw, they could also just change their ip address, this takes only a minute. It isn't much of a step in the right direction as ppl could easily download new copies, make new accounts, and change their ip addresses. Also, Fuck the 1/2 speed and handicap shit.....just because someone cheats doesn't mean that they should suffer through that....it might just make good players (who cheat on occasion) to quit WinBolo.

-Madd Maxx-

Madd Maxx wrote:

Right now, a ban of someone can occur based on whatever subjective basis is currently used. So in that respect, there is no difference between the two methods.

What this allows is player name association with IP address and serial#. It is a little tighter control over those that use hacks. Is it fool proof, nope. Is it a step in the right direction, yes.

If people know that it is easier to get caught, there is less tendency to use them for fear of being caught and banned, or worse, made to play at 1/2 speed.

Fuck that serial number shit! like sheeps said:"they could just keep a few copies on their computer". Btw, they could also just change their ip address, this takes only a minute. It isn't much of a step in the right direction as ppl could easily download new copies, make new accounts, and change their ip addresses. Also, Fuck the 1/2 speed and handicap shit.....just because someone cheats doesn't mean that they should suffer through that....it might just make good players (who cheat on occasion) to quit WinBolo.

-Madd Maxx-

good players never cheat maxx, unless its in practice mode and for their own amusement......and players hsould suffer consequences.........saying that they shouldnt suffer the consequences is like saying osoma bin ladin shouldnt me tortured for blowing up the world trade center etc.
...it just doesnt work that way......

although they shouldnt have this ban thingy for the rest of the time they play winbolo.....maybe they can be forgived after a year or two......or given a second chance.........like with sheep's method......which is a good one.........

I was in a game a little while ago where several people were using the speed hack, so i wrote down the ip address and such. Then i tried to find windows media encoder. I told the people in the game that i was gonna film it. About the point i said "smile, ur on candid camera"... the fled for the hills.

now that i found the media encoder again, i plan on keeping it handy, since there are those out there who won't realize it's dog chit until they can see it, feel it, touch it, and taste it.... yum yum... enjoy

There are borgs and brains out there that have a command in their menu that allow them to record your game. Like pmg said, if you video tape them, you can report them with proof.

Jason#8 wrote:

There are borgs and brains out there that have a command in their menu that allow them to record your game. Like pmg said, if you video tape them, you can report them with proof.

I don't think that anyone has made a recording borg for WinBolo yet. There is, however, one for mac bolo called "SpeilBorg". In the mean time use some other recording program.

Q-MandaBomb wrote:

saying that they shouldnt suffer the consequences is like saying osoma bin ladin shouldnt me tortured for blowing up the world trade center etc.

That's also like saying that america shouldn't have been tortured for interfearing in the afganis' warz.

-Madd Maxx-

wonka wrote:

I was in a game a little while ago where several people were using the speed hack, so i wrote down the ip address and such. Then i tried to find windows media encoder. I told the people in the game that i was gonna film it. About the point i said "smile, ur on candid camera"... the fled for the hills.

now that i found the media encoder again, i plan on keeping it handy, since there are those out there who won't realize it's dog chit until they can see it, feel it, touch it, and taste it.... yum yum... enjoy

go wonka :) say...does anyone know where i can get this program? i think my computer might have it somewhere :wink: ....ill check later........but does anoyne know where you can get a borg for this? id love it. now i can get proof of these cursed hackers. in fact, everyone should get this. it could even be implemented into the next version of winbolo! :D
and maxx.......certain people have good intentions, while others dont. cheaters have bad intentions, as for america........well......hmmmmm.........they had good intentions.........ya...... the iraqis were being hurt because of saddam's rule..........so they hadta get rod of em and freee iraq........ :P this isnt politics.com....... :roll: :)

you can get the encoder in the microsoft download area. It also allows for recording streaming video, which is why i got it.

I'll keep my digital camera handy as well since it records MPEG, but alas, no sound on it whereas the encoder records sound. The speed hack has a distinctive sound when they fire.

Q-MandaBomb wrote:

....ill check later........but does anoyne know where you can get a borg for this? id love it.

THERE IS NO VIDEO RECORDING BORG FOR WINBOLO!!!!

wonka wrote:

you can get the encoder in the microsoft download area. It also allows for recording streaming video, which is why i got it.

I'll keep my digital camera handy as well since it records MPEG, but alas, no sound on it whereas the encoder records sound. The speed hack has a distinctive sound when they fire.

i know...they shoot HELLA fast

Madd Maxx wrote:

Q-MandaBomb wrote:

....ill check later........but does anoyne know where you can get a borg for this? id love it.

THERE IS NO VIDEO RECORDING BORG FOR WINBOLO!!!!

Jason#8 wrote:

There are borgs and brains out there that have a command in their menu that allow them to record your game. Like pmg said, if you video tape them, you can report them with proof.

then what's this, eh? :lol:

hmmm.....which one is it wonka......what's the right thingy to click on here......i dont wanna dowload anything unless its the wrong thing.........help! could you give me the link or the instructions or sumthing? or could you just send me it at warquinnymon@hotmail.com ?
:cry: :roll: :? :lol: :o :( :shock: :wink: please......... i really wanna get this thingy...maybe i even alreday have it...i dunno......

yay! wonka ur on! please help me with the recorder thingy?

Q-mandabomb wrote:

hmmm.....which one is it wonka......what's the right thingy to click on here......i dont wanna dowload anything unless its the wrong thing.........help! could you give me the link or the instructions or sumthing? or could you just send me it at warquinnymon@hotmail.com ?
:cry: :roll: :? :lol: :o :( :shock: :wink: please......... i really wanna get this thingy...maybe i even alreday have it...i dunno......

www.microsoft.com

go to the downloads area. enter 'media encoder' in the search term.

1st item on list should be 'Windows Media Encoder 9 Series'
This is the link it pulls up: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=5691ba02-e496-465a-bba9-b2f1182cdf24&DisplayLang=en

The version i have is 7.01.

One thing to note, is u can also output the video to the WEB, i disable that to save cpu... i've got enough loaded on this machine. i've been playing with it this afternoon and found it's best to not have much else running, or it will cause a lot of delays in the game.

enjoy

Q-mandabomb wrote:

Madd Maxx wrote:

Q-MandaBomb wrote:

....ill check later........but does anoyne know where you can get a borg for this? id love it.

THERE IS NO VIDEO RECORDING BORG FOR WINBOLO!!!!

Jason#8 wrote:

There are borgs and brains out there that have a command in their menu that allow them to record your game. Like pmg said, if you video tape them, you can report them with proof.

then what's this, eh? :lol:

Q-Manda, that guy joined 3 days ago, for all we know, he don't know his ass from a hole in the ground :) .

sorry to say max, looks like you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground, i would like to point your attention to the borg, i believe was written by ten and elvis called speilborg, the video capture borg.....wonderful eh? thats how they got the movies on winbolo.com, its very handy although it does chop up the game while your playing

[url]ftp://winbolo.dhs.org/brains[/url]

its the speilborg one

I wrote vfwSpeilborg a while ago that records video while playing winbolo. You can download it here: [url]ftp://winbolo.dhs.org/brains/vfwspielborg-100.zip[/url] Ten later incorporated it into his brain as well.