Forum Moderation Policy

hey sticks ..... the fmp doesn't say anything about deleting posts ... in fact that was something that was supposed to be discussed ... yet .. ud did it anyways ... does htat mean I can go around deleting all the threads and posts I think are un-appropriate? ... thats what i did before, I got my mod's taken away becuase of it .... double standards? .. I think so ..

Min

Min wrote:

the fmp doesn't say anything about deleting posts

Yes, I know, thank you for clearly stating in one sentence what took me a long, droning paragraph to say.

Again, its a personal choice. Just like the "tree killing" and "carpet mining" issues of WinBolo, deciding what should be edited is a personal preference. At this point in time, whether you can or not is irrelevant: you can delete all the threads you wish just like you can kill all the trees on a map whilst pooping mines all over the place. Does that mean you won't suffer the consequences? Nope, I'm sure you or anyone else who does it, will.

As for why mod status was removed the first time, take that up with Elvis and whoever may have complained as I have no information in that department.

Sticks wrote:

Min wrote:

the fmp doesn't say anything about deleting posts

Yes, I know, thank you for clearly stating in one sentence what took me a long, droning paragraph to say.

Again, its a personal choice. Just like the "tree killing" and "carpet mining" issues of WinBolo, deciding what should be edited is a personal preference. At this point in time, whether you can or not is irrelevant: you can delete all the threads you wish just like you can kill all the trees on a map whilst pooping mines all over the place. Does that mean you won't suffer the consequences? Nope, I'm sure you or anyone else who does it, will.

As for why mod status was removed the first time, take that up with Elvis and whoever may have complained as I have no information in that department.

it was my understanding that deleting or editing posts was a no-no UNTIL some sort of policy was written regarding it .. not the other way around thats what this thread is about ..... isn't it? ...

Min wrote:

it was my understanding that deleting or editing posts was a no-no UNTIL some sort of policy was written regarding it

Well, thats your opinion. If it was the case that any deleting or editing of posts was against the FMP, then there should be a line appended after the three rules thus far that said: "until further notice, no editing or deleting of posts is allowed by moderators." Because there wasn't any further restrictions than what Elvis originally gave, I would assume that mods can do what they feel is neccesary to moderate the forums.

Sticks wrote:

Min wrote:

it was my understanding that deleting or editing posts was a no-no UNTIL some sort of policy was written regarding it

Well, thats your opinion. If it was the case that any deleting or editing of posts was against the FMP, then there should be a line appended after the three rules thus far that said: "until further notice, no editing or deleting of posts is allowed by moderators." Because there wasn't any further restrictions than what Elvis originally gave, I would assume that mods can do what they feel is neccesary to moderate the forums.

let us post the forum moderation policy so far ... that is what mod's CAN do .. it is implied that nothing else is allowed ...

Here is the new forum moderation policy:

* Moderators may move topics to a different forum if it is posted in the wrong forum.
* Moderators can post new topic in the news forum to appear on the front page of the site.
* Moderators may lock topics that are inappriopriate.

Any moderation that takes place the moderator must make a comment saying that "moved by XYZ" or "locked by XYZ"

doesn't say "moderators may do as they please other than these things" it says they may move topics .. they may post news topics and they may lock topics ... thats ALL WE"RE ALLOWED TO DO!!!! .... thats what it says ..

Min

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if a new moderation policy is to be put in place, i would like to see the ability for moderators to delete posts regarding cracking or hacking winbolo itself, winbolo.net or services that winbolo.com use. also stuff that is illegal, say links to child porn sites, or any porn sites, spam advertisements, links to computer virii, and racial or ethnic slurs/insults.

in my opinion, the inability to hide or remove any information is detremental to everyone who uses it.

alternatively, these posts can be moved to a moderator/administration only channel where it can be reviewed before deletion.

and, just like moving or locking, a reason should be stated by the one who acts on it

underdog wrote:

if a new moderation policy is to be put in place, i would like to see the ability for moderators to delete posts regarding cracking or hacking winbolo itself, winbolo.net or services that winbolo.com use. also stuff that is illegal, say links to child porn sites, or any porn sites, spam advertisements, links to computer virii, and racial or ethnic slurs/insults.

in my opinion, the inability to hide or remove any information is detremental to everyone who uses it.

alternatively, these posts can be moved to a moderator/administration only channel where it can be reviewed before deletion.

and, just like moving or locking, a reason should be stated by the one who acts on it

Bullshit! Burn in hell Underdog for deleting posts! Min was actually right on this and i have already emaild elvis.

Wait......did u say child porn??!?!?@!?@?@ :twisted:

underdog wrote:

if a new moderation policy is to be put in place, i would like to see the ability for moderators to delete posts regarding cracking or hacking winbolo itself, winbolo.net or services that winbolo.com use. also stuff that is illegal, say links to child porn sites, or any porn sites, spam advertisements, links to computer virii, and racial or ethnic slurs/insults.

in my opinion, the inability to hide or remove any information is detremental to everyone who uses it.

alternatively, these posts can be moved to a moderator/administration only channel where it can be reviewed before deletion.

and, just like moving or locking, a reason should be stated by the one who acts on it

I think that the ability to delete posts in some situations is a good idea. But I prefer the idea of moving offending posts/threads to a private moderator forum where they could then be "voted" apon by at least 2 moderators for deletion. that way its not one person playing "god" as it were, if its decided the post is valid, it can just be moved back. but I fully agree that something needs to be put in place in regards to removing stuff that is illegal, child porn, that sort of thing, but before anything is removed regarding "hacking" or "cheating" or "abuse" these things need to be FULLY defined in the policy as to WHAT hacking or cheating or abuse IS .. so that the moderators don't have to guess what falls into which categories, I feel some people on this forums Idea's of cheating or hacking is completely incorrect. [/rant]

Min

how do you propose a decision is to be made on what is and isnt considering cheating or hacking material regarding winbolo?

underdog wrote:

how do you propose a decision is to be made on what is and isnt considering cheating or hacking material regarding winbolo?

well, elvis would have to define those things. because what I think won't matter to most of you.

Min

it'll matter to me! How bout this, we get ridda the mods and "let the healing begin" again.

Madd Maxx wrote:

it'll matter to me! How bout this, we get ridda the mods and "let the healing begin" again.

would you shut the fuck up? all of as already know that you don't want mods.ok, fine, stop repeating yourself, you fucking retard.

indiana wrote:

Madd Maxx wrote:

it'll matter to me! How bout this, we get ridda the mods and "let the healing begin" again.

would you shut the fuck up? all of as already know that you don't want mods.ok, fine, stop repeating yourself, you fucking retard.

I can, and will, repeat myself as much as I like.

Madd Maxx, we all know you don't like mods, you've stated your displeasure for it countless times, but do you really feel that it is your place to question Elvis's authority and decisions when it comes to mods or moderation rules? I don’t think it is yours, or anyone else’s place to do so - Unless you have put the effort into creating/developing the game or in the very least paid your fee’s and donated to the forums you really have no right to gripe about any mod changes or moderation rules going on here in the forums. In the very least I think you own Elvis an apology for disrespecting his decisions, and you need to gain a little more respect for Elvis and those in the mod positions that Elvis assigned.

Just my two cents

HostileToy wrote:

Madd Maxx, we all know you don't like mods, you've stated your displeasure for it countless times, but do you really feel that it is your place to question Elvis's authority and decisions when it comes to mods or moderation rules? I don’t think it is yours, or anyone else’s place to do so - Unless you have put the effort into creating/developing the game or in the very least paid your fee’s and donated to the forums you really have no right to gripe about any mod changes or moderation rules going on here in the forums. In the very least I think you own Elvis an apology for disrespecting his decisions, and you need to gain a little more respect for Elvis and those in the mod positions that Elvis assigned.

Just my two cents

you go girlfriend!

Madd Maxx wrote:

indiana wrote:

Madd Maxx wrote:

it'll matter to me! How bout this, we get ridda the mods and "let the healing begin" again.

would you shut the fuck up? all of as already know that you don't want mods.ok, fine, stop repeating yourself, you fucking retard.

I can, and will, repeat myself as much as I like.

stfu, prick.

any plans for a new moderation policy elvis?

I'm all for moving offending posts where 2 mods can agree to delete or just leave them in the restricted forum. I like the idea of keeping offending posts around so that there can be no doubt as to why something was done.

On a technical note, how might you move a post thread yet tell the forum that it was moved? By posting another thread?

Cheating and hacking would need to be defined, as well as offending sites, which ud mostly listed.

sheeps wrote:

I'm all for moving offending posts where 2 mods can agree to delete or just leave them in the restricted forum. I like the idea of keeping offending posts around so that there can be no doubt as to why something was done.

On a technical note, how might you move a post thread yet tell the forum that it was moved? By posting another thread?

Cheating and hacking would need to be defined, as well as offending sites, which ud mostly listed.

The rules MUST not be changed!!!! Elvis should, however, make the moderation policy more easily accessible (some ppl have trouble finding it *MaddMaxx points to underdog) I suggest that elvis puts a copy of the forum moderation policy (unchanged) on the "help" page of the WinBolo.net website. (or somewhar neer thar)

-Madd Maxx-

Madd Maxx wrote:

The rules MUST not be changed!!!! Elvis should, however, make the moderation policy more easily accessible (some ppl have trouble finding it *MaddMaxx points to underdog) I suggest that elvis puts a copy of the forum moderation policy (unchanged) on the "help" page of the WinBolo.net website. (or somewhar neer thar)

-Madd Maxx-

i just hope to god noone ever takes what maddmaxx says seriously, for the good of humanity.

the moderation policy is meant for a guide for moderators. everyone doesnt need to have it shoved in their face, unless they feel a mod has done something inappropriate, and need to clarify

i think a user policy is a much better idea to put on the main page. this may sound redundant, but it you think about it, it is not.

Madd Maxx wrote:

The rules MUST not be changed!!!! Elvis should, however, make the moderation policy more easily accessible (some ppl have trouble finding it *MaddMaxx points to underdog) I suggest that elvis puts a copy of the forum moderation policy (unchanged) on the "help" page of the WinBolo.net website. (or somewhar neer thar)

-Madd Maxx-

Actually this doesn't seem like such a bad idea to me.. Just given the volume of messages that are related directly or indirectly to the moderator policy it seems like a good idea. If something were to be displayed before the person can even go into the forum (a 1-time thing), then a user policy would probably be more appropriate. But, I think if I hadn't been here before and I saw the mod policy as well as user, I don't think it would be a big ideal.

As for the other stuff.. here are my thoughts:

For what might be appropriate for mods to delete.. I could see no filename refs or something that people can use to search to download the cheat working... Maybe. However I'm against deleting posts entirely given how sensitive an issue it is. I think that it should at least be moved to a private forum so that there is some record of it (ie permanently deleting strictly forbidden). Hey, we could have like winbolo jury duty and a trial about whether the post should have been deleted lol :P

I was also thinkin about a place where people who are into analyzing the cheats can discuss how it works, because it might help Elvis out. But Elvis will have to decide on that. Sort of a white hat forum/area. I'm not sure how it would be run though.. maybe put someone who has shown they are competent in analyzing the cheats in charge of it and they can add people who are also interested. Would this be abused by people wanting to find cheats? I guess you could have to prove you already have the cheat and have looked into it.. hrm.

-Canuck

Canuck wrote:

For what might be appropriate for mods to delete.. I could see no filename refs or something that people can use to search to download the cheat working... Maybe. However I'm against deleting posts entirely given how sensitive an issue it is. I think that it should at least be moved to a private forum so that there is some record of it (ie permanently deleting strictly forbidden). Hey, we could have like winbolo jury duty and a trial about whether the post should have been deleted lol :P

I can understand why underdog deleted min's post on how to bypass security; but, i understand why people got upset for him doing it. Maybe the solution here is when someone posts something they shouldn't , instead of deleting it comment out the offending part of the message... ie: link, slur, etc. (" go to www.jashdfkjhasdrgb.com for a good time" becomes"go to [DELETED TEXT] for a good time") Just keep a copy of the pre-edited post in case there are questions later, so the post can be restored if needed. It also gives the user community a chance to judge for themselves whether the poster was out of line or the moderator was stepping over the bounds.

Canuck wrote:

I was also thinkin about a place where people who are into analyzing the cheats can discuss how it works, because it might help Elvis out. But Elvis will have to decide on that. Sort of a white hat forum/area.

I think this is an excellent idea. And it could go further than just analyzing hacks/cheats.

seems simplier just to move it into a mod only forum.

Min

min wrote:

seems simplier just to move it into a mod only forum.

Can you move just the single post? Or do you have to move the entire thread?

If you have to move the entire thread, it may ruin a completely good conversation when only one person did something out of line. But it then raises the question “what was in the post?”

By leaving the post, and only editing out the offending part, everyone gets the gist of what was said or done.