Forum Moderation Policy

Ok, let's try to get the ball rolling on something to add to the policy.

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Moderators can delete any part of a message they feel aids people in obtaining a program to cheat in winbolo. The part of the message that is removed must be replaced with [cheat reference removed by Name_of_moderator]. The moderator must then post a new message on the moderator only board providing the following information:

- An exact, unmodified in any way copy of the entire message before the modification
- The reason the message was modified
- A link to the modified forum message

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I am only proposing this addition to the policy, it's not in yet :P (If implemented then a mod only forum will have to be created.) It's up to Elvis if he takes any part of it.

My intent is that the moderator should remove as little as possible from the message, but I don't really want to put in those words because I'm afraid it would be ambiguous. In other words I'm afraid it might start arguments .. "this is clearly not the least you could have commented out!". Instead it states only phrases in the message that help people find the cheat should be removed. Is this more precicely defined and better than "remove as little as possible"? Could it be better defined?

Also, underdog's removal of min's post would still be against the rules under this mod policy. Under it though, he could have removed the url to whatever it was and probably cause a discussion about whether min's post was helping people "cheat". Then maybe "cheat" needs to be defined. (I don't want to get into the specifics of the min post / ud delete thing right now)

Comments?

-Canuck

I want to be a Moderators will you let me? I do not cheat and that post that I Made about "I got The speed hack" I had it but now I really don’t want to get band so I deleted it

Canucks post was in the same direction I was thinking was best. I like the idea of keeping them around but also don't like the idea of moving a whole thread for one post.

A yes some things would need to be defined, but could be done after this.

- Sheeps.

Matt007@007 wrote:

I want to be a Moderators will you let me? I do not cheat and that post that I Made about "I got The speed hack" I had it but now I really don’t want to get band so I deleted it

no offense but....ahahahhahahahhahhahahahhahahahhahahahahahahaha.....goood luck boi

Matt007@007 wrote:

I want to be a Moderators will you let me? I do not cheat and that post that I Made about "I got The speed hack" I had it but now I really don’t want to get band so I deleted it

good to hear you got rid of it... But considering several people are saying we have too many mods already, I wouldn't count on the mod thing.

-Canuck

The day matt becomes a mod is the end of winbolo.net


I mean, good luck matt.

lol

well, quite honestly, doing the editing posts thing will open a whole can of things that I won't even go near with a 100 foot pole .... ever hear of the rule "keep it simple stupid" aka K.I.S.S .... moving the entire thread into the moderator only forum, where the moderators can discuss what to do with it. and from that point decide to change it, delete it, delete one post out of it, as a group, rather than as a individual (becuase every action as a individual in this place is bitched about .. why is it we can't think for ourselves?) .... quite honestly. if the post is moved and it was a valid discussion ... start a new thread to complete that discussion ... if we start doing stuff thats way to complicated (like what canuck is suggesting) it will be far too confusing ... if thats the road we choose to follow, I will kick and scream the whole way.

Min

Min wrote:

well, quite honestly, doing the editing posts thing will open a whole can of things that I won't even go near with a 100 foot pole .... ever hear of the rule "keep it simple stupid" aka K.I.S.S .... moving the entire thread into the moderator only forum, where the moderators can discuss what to do with it. and from that point decide to change it, delete it, delete one post out of it, as a group, rather than as a individual (becuase every action as a individual in this place is bitched about .. why is it we can't think for ourselves?) .... quite honestly. if the post is moved and it was a valid discussion ... start a new thread to complete that discussion ... if we start doing stuff thats way to complicated (like what canuck is suggesting) it will be far too confusing ... if thats the road we choose to follow, I will kick and scream the whole way.

Min

i somewhat agree with mins point. i personally believe that censoring the offending part of the message is A, way too much work for the mod, and B, it will give that person more attention. people will want to know what part was deleted, and ask and ask and ask. people can also just see what is written around it and come to their own idea of what it was using conclusive evidence. also, people may not agree with the disgression of the mod on what exact part was cut out or not cut out. and such and such.

instead, removing the entire post would make more sense (but not the whole thread, unless the thread itself is offending)

pretty sure you can't just move posts, you have to move the entire thread ...

Min

i thought it was.. i may be mistaken

but if it isnt, perhaps it can be made so it can?

if not, you could copy and paste it in mod only forum, and delete the original...

underdog wrote:

i thought it was.. i may be mistaken

but if it isnt, perhaps it can be made so it can?

if not, you could copy and paste it in mod only forum, and delete the original...

I'm not sure how modifiable phpbb is .. but what if you want to put it back? .... how would you do that?

Min

Min wrote:

underdog wrote:

i thought it was.. i may be mistaken

but if it isnt, perhaps it can be made so it can?

if not, you could copy and paste it in mod only forum, and delete the original...

I'm not sure how modifiable phpbb is .. but what if you want to put it back? .... how would you do that?

Min

copy and paste it back?

Canuck wrote:

[cheat reference removed by Name_of_moderator]. The moderator must then post a new message on the moderator only board providing the following information:

Sounds good to me

Canuck wrote:

only phrases in the message that help people find the cheat should be removed.

It leaves this gist of what was being said, yet removes the specifics of how to find it. Sounds good to me too.

Canuck wrote:

Also, underdog's removal of min's post would still be against the rules under this mod policy. Under it though, he could have removed the url to whatever it was and probably cause a discussion about whether min's post was helping people "cheat". Then maybe "cheat" needs to be defined.

Example: Min was trying to make a point on how easy it was to get to a single web page. Then there was a section on how to. So the first part was a valid argument of why not to have passwords on a web page. So using this method Min's arugment would still be there, but not the how to.

Min wrote:

moving the entire thread into the moderator only forum, where the moderators can discuss what to do with it. and from that point decide to change it, delete it, delete one post out of it, as a group, rather than as a individual (becuase every action as a individual in this place is bitched about .. why is it we can't think for ourselves?) .... quite honestly. if the post is moved and it was a valid discussion ... start a new thread to complete that discussion ... if we start doing stuff thats way to complicated (like what canuck is suggesting) it will be far too confusing

Maybe moving the whole thread is easier; but then you're gonna have to move it back minus the offending post... and i think thats gonna cause much more trouble. People will be saying why did you move it?, what was there?, when will it be back?.. etc. people WILL notice a popular thread gone.

Then how long will it be gone? If a panel of mods has to decide what right and whats wrong, it could take a couple of days.

well, quite honestly, I would prefer if the threads are moved, and thats the end of it ... if people ask were they went, we say "to the mod only forum" end of discussion really .. what more can they say? .. "why?" "becuase it had a post that meets the requirements shown in the forum moderation policy." .... I think editing other peoples posts is a hugely bad idea.

Min

judging by the activity of people here, it wouldnt take more than a day for say 2 or 3 mods to give it the OK

Given that there are a total of 6 mods, how many votes either way would it take?

wonka wrote:

Given that there are a total of 6 mods, how many votes either way would it take?

None!!!! This system is bullshit! Notice that only mods have made suggestions that we need changes. Thus, allowing them to delete posts and such. The problem with a voting system is that ppls will form alliances and pplz will STILL delete forms/posts without any reason. Leave the "forum moderation policy" the way it is!

Madd Maxx wrote:

wonka wrote:

Given that there are a total of 6 mods, how many votes either way would it take?

None!!!! This system is bullshit! Notice that only mods have made suggestions that we need changes. Thus, allowing them to delete posts and such. The problem with a voting system is that ppls will form alliances and pplz will STILL delete forms/posts without any reason. Leave the "forum moderation policy" the way it is!

i am not a mod, neither are lrl or wonka, or many others. people who are mods are mods for a reason. cuz they arnt incomprehensible little lamers like you.

you should lay off the illegal substances, your paranoia seems to be out of your control.

"secret alliances"? and people in black coats and sunglasses that abduct you and erase your records? ya, they exist. and they are coming for you, bitch

no shyte ud, but those pplz r in cahoot's wit da mod's!

Madd Maxx wrote:

no shyte ud, but those pplz r in cahoot's wit da mod's!

what? ..... I think you need to get your head out of your ass so you can #1 see what you are typing and #2 see that the mods are definetly not in "cahoot's" with anyone

Speaking for myself, I have one goal: Have fun playing WinBolo... period. But i find it hard to do so when people use cheats and hacks and treat each other like garbage. It lessens my enjoyment playing this game when these things happen. I really don't want to see how to's on cheating/hacking, people padding scores, nor people flamming each other in a very personal and vulgar ways.

There have been several suggestions on how to handle posts that contain hack info. From following the comments on it, almost everyone agrees [except Maxx] that a procedure needs to be in place. I think talking it out here in the forms has been great.

I suggested a way to handle score padding. After talking with Elvis briefly about it, i've been refreshing myself on statistics to make sure the data smoothing, and variance of the samplings are ok for creating the standard game profiles. I hope to have some info to give to Elvis in about two weeks. If he decides to go forward with, i'm sure there will be another dicussion here in the forums on the pros and cons of it; and if he decides to implement it, on how that is done.

-Wonka

P.S.

There was a comment earlier about how many user accounts were out there, and how many were multiples of a single person's; my question is how many are out there from newbie's who came to have fun, got treated like crap and left?

Well here is my brief take on the situation. I believe that WinBolo.net is a community based site that is to help the community and I do not believe discussing or detailing explicitly how to hack/cheat/etc is in the best interest of the community.

I've taken a quick look over the ideas posted and suggested in this forum and will be drafting a new policy for feedback next week. As such I am a little dissapointed in underdogs post especially as it has been mentioned that I am currently out of the country and not checking forums as much as I usually do and had mentioned I would be updating the policy upon return. I understand underdogs intentions of trying to move this process forward however I don't agree with his method.

Here is a quick thought on what I think the new mod policy will be (this is not final)

1. Everything as before
2. No posting of illegal material or material that would be inappropriate to younger people. (Remember the age poll?)
3. No posting on methods on how to cheat/hack etc.
4. Mods will be able to move posts to a new forum for discussion and decide whether they should be moved back or deleted. (Note posts not topics at this stage)
5. If the mods decide they should stay they will be moved back into the general forum.
6. Otherwise they will be deleted and a note will be placed saying this was deleted.

Any thoughts on this? Apologies about the spelling/grammer. I don't have time to proofread it.

Elvis wrote:

4. Mods will be able to move posts to a new forum for discussion and decide whether they should be moved back or deleted. (Note posts not topics at this stage)

I am fine with the additions to the policy you mentioned Elvis. I am also interested to know how you can move a post and not the entire topic. Maybe it will just be manual, but still the most fair way to do it imho.

I assume mods decision will be majority with veto ability by Elvis?

sheeps wrote:

I am also interested to know how you can move a post and not the entire topic. Maybe it will just be manual, but still the most fair way to do it imho.

I'm sure its not currently supported but I don't believe it would be that hard to add it. Worse comes to worse it could be manual.

I assume mods decision will be majority with veto ability by Elvis?

Sounds good to me.