Do you think UD's moderator status should have been removed?

I believe underdog's moderator status shouldn't have been removed giving the currect ToS that I see Elvis has actully acknowlaged.

I believe the policy states:

Elvis wrote:

Here is the new forum moderation policy:

* Moderators may move topics to a different forum if it is posted in the wrong forum.
* Moderators can post new topic in the news forum to appear on the front page of the site.
* Moderators may lock topics that are inappriopriate.

Reference: http://www.winbolo.net/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=502&forum=3

I don't see anywhere where it states moderators can remove posts.

More on all this sillyness later.

Elvis, I’ve never been upset with you before, most of this honestly has never meant that much to me. But this involves someone I consider to be a good friend. UD maintained his composure and showed min a considerable amount of respect while directly addressing min. Min’s replies were much more hateful, disrespectful and outright without pose. If you cannot see the complete… lowness (for the best word to use) in his replies, I don’t know what to say to you.

Then let me say this, (*note: this has nothing to do with my discussion with min*) My opinion is, if your going to remove UD’s moderator status for deleting a post designed to abuse a service, I think min’s should also be removed as well. That is however your call, but that’s my opinion.

LRL wrote:

Elvis, I’ve never been upset with you before, most of this honestly has never meant that much to me. But this involves someone I consider to be a good friend. UD maintained his composure and showed min a considerable amount of respect while directly addressing min. Min’s replies were much more hateful, disrespectful and outright without pose. If you cannot see the complete… lowness (for the best word to use) in his replies, I don’t know what to say to you.

Then let me say this, (*note: this has nothing to do with my discussion with min*) My opinion is, if your going to remove UD’s moderator status for deleting a post designed to abuse a service, I think min’s should also be removed as well. That is however your call, but that’s my opinion.

just becuase you don't like me .. doesn't mean I've done anything against the moderation policies .... I feel a huge amount of disrespect from underdog in the deletion of my post, so therefore responding in a fashion which you describe as disrespectful .. well ... one good turn deserves another. if he treated me with respect, I would return the favor.

Min

I'm sorry min, but you don't know what respect is...

LRL wrote:

I'm sorry min, but you don't know what respect is...

your sorry? .. no your not or you wouldn't have said anything .... here you go again, figuring you know better than me how things are ..

Respect noun 1 admiration felt towards a person or thing that has good qualities or acheivements; Politeness arising from this.
2 attention, consideration; showing respect for people's feelings 3 relation, reference; this is true with respect to English but not to French 4 a particular detail or aspect; in this one respect 5 (respects) polite greetings; pay one's respects *verb feel or show respect for.

seems that I do know what respect is ... and now so do you ... I respect Elvis, Ten, and Canuck .... you .... I do not.

Min

If you say so, bug guy...

(don't you love that...)

LRL wrote:

Elvis, I’ve never been upset with you before, most of this honestly has never meant that much to me. But this involves someone I consider to be a good friend. UD maintained his composure and showed min a considerable amount of respect while directly addressing min. Min’s replies were much more hateful, disrespectful and outright without pose. If you cannot see the complete… lowness (for the best word to use) in his replies, I don’t know what to say to you.

Then let me say this, (*note: this has nothing to do with my discussion with min*) My opinion is, if your going to remove UD’s moderator status for deleting a post designed to abuse a service, I think min’s should also be removed as well. That is however your call, but that’s my opinion.

This has nothing to do with who is friends with who. It has to do with moderators adhearing to the current moderation policy. As such underdogs moderating abilities have been removed currently. Mins moderator status has been removed before. Now that the new moderation policy has been put in place Min has not deviated from it and as such does need to be removed. As for whether moderators are allowed to delete posts about cheating etc I believe the reference post asked the community what they wanted to be done in regards to "inappropriate posts" as well as what is an inappropriate post..

I believe this current argument between the various parties has gone beyond whether someone adheard to the moderation policy or not.

Elvis wrote:

I believe this current argument between the various parties has gone beyond whether someone adheard to the moderation policy or not.

I agree wholeheartedly, and in that regard I shall refrain from posting anything further in threads related to this topic, my concern has been dealt with, if ud is reinstated at a later time, so be it.

Thank you Elvis.

Min

I voted yes, UD's moderation status was removed in the right, based on one reason. No where in the moderation policy does it state that posts can be deleted. In no way am I bashing UD.
Perhaps moderators can move topics they seem unfit to be accessible to users to a moderator only board. The current policy does not need to be changed, it is up to the poster to use common sense.
I also think LRL and Min should reflect their maturity. Both are respectable for what they have brought to the community. Flame wars on the WinBolo forums will not bring in new members, nor will it solve problems from the past.
I really hope that LRL and Min will continue to improve on their projects.
We need to bring WinBolo forward, not backward.

Well damn Elvis, you done gone and shot down my intelligent statements in the other thread! I guess I'm just too liberal, eh?

Sticks wrote:

Well damn Elvis, you done gone and shot down my intelligent statements in the other thread! I guess I'm just too liberal, eh?

I'm all for the community to come up with a better moderation policy.

min's attitude towards everything is just tasteless..... i hope min realizes that when hes not looking at the computer screen there is knowone for him to talk to.... get a life min....maybe you need to take anger managment courses or masturbate more to destress yourself in this time of hardship :shock:

peoples alliance wrote:

min's attitude towards everything is just tasteless..... i hope min realizes that when hes not looking at the computer screen there is knowone for him to talk to....

He doesn't? I thought he was married and had a couple of kids? Maybe I'm thinking of someone else. If I'm not, I'm sure that when he's not looking at the computer screen he has his wife to talk to and children make ones life very full of love and laughter.

peoples alliance wrote:

get a life min....maybe you need to take anger managment courses or masturbate more to destress yourself in this time of hardship :shock:

and you say his addidute is tastless .....

how about you stick my cock in ur ass bitch and who the fuck are you to say anything ive never even heard of u

peoples alliance wrote:

how about you stick my cock in ur ass bitch and who the fuck are you to say anything ive never even heard of u

It's funny how you say his attitude is tasteless when you post things like this :? ..... That was uncalled for. Of course you haven't heard of "HostileToy" it's not my game name. Some people know who I am, those who don't - well ...... unless you’re a total newbie, which you are not, because I remember you from IRC, all you have to do is you that little brain inside that thick skull of yours and you may be able to draw yourself a conclusion. As for who am I to say anything...... How is that any of your business and for that fact, who are you to say anything?

Elvis wrote:

This has nothing to do with who is friends with who. It has to do with moderators adhearing to the current moderation policy. As such underdogs moderating abilities have been removed currently. Mins moderator status has been removed before. Now that the new moderation policy has been put in place Min has not deviated from it and as such does need to be removed. As for whether moderators are allowed to delete posts about cheating etc I believe the reference post asked the community what they wanted to be done in regards to "inappropriate posts" as well as what is an inappropriate post..

I believe this current argument between the various parties has gone beyond whether someone adheard to the moderation policy or not.

Who was whose friend wasn’t my point directly. I’m outraged that min was allowed to post something that was clearly high on encouraging abuse. Sure it was directed solely at my service, so sure I’m even more outraged. Should I have been here at the time of the post I would have said such. In my view, deleting UD’s moderator status sets the example that min was right to post something so abusive. Which is the wrong way to go here. Sending a message such as I or anyone else could post a site showing control passwords to wbn, shell access or perhaps nude pictures of people, etc.

There’s more here then just who crossed and doted there t’s and I’s. For another instance, if the moderator policy is changed to allow deletion and ud deleting that would fall into the category for deletion what stand can you take therefore to have removed ud’s mods? That it happen before the change? My whole point; there have been many factors here, the initial post, the argument, the deletion, etc. Yet I feel by the removal you are assigning blame to one person/side.

From my perspective, i was surprised when LRL created the page containing the passwords. I was expected him to get flamed for doing that.

So the discussion then became, remove the passwords from the game as a defualt. If you want a private game, then create one.

Then Min shows how to go to ****** to bypass the block to the WEB page. . Then UD deletes Min's post and mayhem errupts.

I may be wrong here, but I think that Min's post was to show how easy it was to get to a WEB page. And by having the passwords on a WEB page, why even bother having them.

The part that bothers me the most about all this, is the level this has sunk. You got lots of people saying F this, F that, and F you.

I really thought better of all of you.

Sending a message such as I or anyone else could post a site showing control passwords to wbn,

Isn’t this basically what you did? You weren’t around when passwords were originally created on Minbot. The very reason it was put on to prevent the riff raff from joining and wrecking the games for the irc people who knew how to play. The very essence of now posting these passwords on a webpage defeats the whole purpose this had. This is allowing any Joe Schmo off the internet that stumbles onto Winbolo.net to join these games, regardless of whether he is a member, or has even played winbolo in his life. Then to have this service plastered on the main page of winbolo.net? I mean if you had kept this to your private little harem of followers in winbolo.us I could see the usefulness. But instead you undermined the whole reason for passwords. Now you complain because a way around your petty bans has been posted. Which led you to most likely tell Underdog to delete the post, which got his mod status removed because he did not follow the terms of service. This is the most fucked up community in the world, it’s nice to see that Elvis stood up for his ToS and removed Ud’s mod status. Maybe he will stand up to you one day for trying to divide winbolo? I doubt it but it would be interesting,

Thats why we lock games

lrl did not tell me to do anything

the website that shows pws was officially announced, so i considered it a valuable part of winbolo as a whole, not just some silly site no one cares about. i just wanted to keep it secure. ive already said my opinion elsewhere, no need to repeat.

wonka wrote:

From my perspective, i was surprised when LRL created the page containing the passwords. I was expected him to get flamed for doing that.

So the discussion then became, remove the passwords from the game as a defualt. If you want a private game, then create one.

Then Min shows how to go to ****** to bypass the block to the WEB page. . Then UD deletes Min's post and mayhem errupts.

I may be wrong here, but I think that Min's post was to show how easy it was to get to a WEB page. And by having the passwords on a WEB page, why even bother having them.

The part that bothers me the most about all this, is the level this has sunk. You got lots of people saying F this, F that, and F you.

I really thought better of all of you.

wow, someone actually understood! .... well I thank you for that wonka. In addition to that, I think this topic should be locked, anyone second that motion?

Min

I'll second the motion... plus, you can lock http://www.winbolo.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=561&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 as far as I care.

Since we don't have a policy for deleting posts, removing ud's mod was the correct choice.

But there is also a grey area with what was posted. I can see ud's point of wanting to remove a specific example on how to cheat a winbolo service. If he had posted specifics on the speed hack (which is almost as easy), the reaction may of been different, even if both examples are ways to cheat.

It does seem to make sense that posts that contain specific cheats or hack examples should be edited and/or locked. But where do we draw the line? Should a specific post like min's be allowed? Once we clear this up in the policies, I am all for giving people a second chance, as long as it was an innocient mistake. And I do give ud credit for not getting personal like many others did.

Elvis wrote:

I'm all for the community to come up with a better moderation policy.

I was just joking on my previous post so no hopefully no offense was taken. And yes, I'm all for the community to come up with amendments to the existing policy. It seems like there's some good ideas in the other thread. The problem is that we don't have the power to say "Ok, this is what its gonna be like" and implement the Forum Moderation Policy (or FMP for us lazy peoples).

I'm going to assume that you, Elvis, are the only one whose decision would probably be respected the most on the topic of FMP amendments. We have ideas but they're not implemented.

How about creating a series of polls (these should actually be meaningful, imagine that!) which lists the different options in reguards to such things as locking topics, deleting whole threads, deleting posts, editing posts, what counts as abuse, etc. This way, you and the mods, will get a better idea as to what everyone wants in reguards to a FMP. After a certain time period, take the results, weigh the pros and cons and write a new FMP or amend the existing one.

I hope this idea garners some kind of positive response from the higher-uppers in this community. We have ideas, we just need to get the ball rolling, y'know?