Could another IBL tourney be created??

Ud,

Unfortunately you lost me there, how you concluded with me in comparison with african americans and there anti-racism drive, make no sense. I am simply stating this one tiny point. DOnt make the toourney thru or on a .us site or with .us in the title or address period.
Use ibl, its open to all, and there no conflict of interest, "Neutral grounds for all"

thas not a hard concept to rationalize,plenty that I have spoken to in .us channel direct agreed with me that this was the best way to go, you have even read a few posts latter to this one where ppl are interested in ibl, not a tourney presented with an .us addy


this isnt about pin pointing its about keeping things Neutral 100%

addy

P.S. Liz I am exstactic to hear that you will be willing to help out at times, sounds like we have a few good ppl to work on this with, I am gonna grab the scripting from jolo and then we can establish more after that,

I think sense time zones are involved just have different servers for different time zones. And for the school problem I think we should hold servers for teens in 7th and over after 3 o' clock. or 3:30. You can get those "scripts" for the Lbl. I think the community can handle such a task.
Or we can wait till 1.14 version of winbolo comes out. I believe they have a banning button for local hosts. either way I AM ALL FOR IT![/quote]

Min wrote:

No point in lieing about stuff that doesn't matter.

I agree completely. Why waste a good lie on something trivial! Lies about things that do really matter have teeth, dammit. None of this mamby-pamby "white lie" crap. I expect capitol perjury from a crowd as delightfully unscrupulous and abusive as this!

Keep it up, citizens!

I just think that if a tourney is gonna be hosted, it should be open and free to all, I appreciate that u agree on this,...

Hmmm, it is my understanding that the winbolo.us IRC server is open and free to all.

Futhermore, LRL didn't have to provide Skywalker with the easy http address his tourny site, so instead of shooting down the hard work that Skywalker, and Bthunder are doing in making the website, and the time and resources LRL has lent them, let's be thankfull and gratefull that these fellow players are contributing time and resources to help improve our winbolo community.

Man,

Why is it that some of you are dodging around my point. Did I say that I didint want sky or bthunder to help the community ,....... hrm lets think for a sec,..... hrmm NO!!! :?

Fi, and Ud I am going to encourage u to re-read this full forum of postings, not once did I ever try to say that I didnt appreciate time and effort given by sky or bthunder, Even tho in channel Sky himself degraded Bthunder saying, "He wasnt doing shit, " and "was working to slow." Nor did I ever attack lrl or dismantle the fair guideance and supplies that he as offered them. all of you confused individuals are MISSING THE POINT!
Plz Pay VERRRRRRRRRRRRRRY Close attention this time :wink: (I will be as clear as I can)

I know .us is open and free for all, but even if a gay bar were open and free for all, which I'm sure it is, (to save yet another silly response that is not needed)would u go in there if you didnt like being hit on by Gay People, or if you had a phobia for them. I'm not Stating .us isnt free for all and it is rather cool that lrl gave them the tools, BUT there are some players, who are offended by .us and all it stands for, Doesnt mean there necessarily bad ppl or players for that matter. I would love to have sky and ne others assist in providing a ibl, but asking those who dislike .us to join a tourney from there is the same as asking that phobia based person to step foot into the gay bar. (oh dear god plz understand this analogy)

If you choose a local bar with no theme nights just samel ol liquor and same coverage for Males and females, same size bathrooms for both etc. etc. you would have better odds at a larger show up, and your ppl entering feeling both comfortable, and special.

In conclusion ibl is neutral there isnt a "bias" (btw thankyou SJ for that word couldnt think of it) and for gods sakes we have always started our leagues in the past with ibl, and hell Jolo's offered his scripts, and helll we have NUMEROUS ppl on both channels with extra servers, SJ has already offered a GREAT server to us, why do we need to establish a DIFFERENT tourney in .us, is darn right silly.

I apoligize for my frustrations, however I feel I have beaten a DEAD horse on this issue and for some reason there are a handful of you who havent seen it :cry:

Infact if there are others out there that may be able to explain it in a different matter plz assist me in explaining this to them, for I have already seen some realize it.

Thankyou for your time!

Addy

P.s. KY I appreciate your ideas and comments on the matter. We'll most definitely have to keep those suggestions in consideration during the development of this. and btw thanx for the couple games last night I see you are just starting off, if you want some tips or shown a couple cool moves lemme know we can schedule something as such.

Heh addbot, now yoiu're comparing the .us server to a gay bar? You sure have a way to make us feel loved.

To call SJ a non-bias member is hardly accurate, he has been a main instigator of the attacks toward .us.

Skywalker is starting a 1 on 1 tourney - IBL is for team games only.

You call IBL non-bias - but it requires an IRC Channel to run on. If you run #IBL on irc.winbolo.com, there are a number of us who are offended by that server and what it stands for and will not sign up and play IBL if it's run on irc.winbolo.com.

However, Addbot, I congratulate you for being willing to run IBL :).

Respecfully yours,

fi

we have always started our leagues in the past with ibl

Wait. Always? You mean because we've done it once, that means we've always done it that way?

I spoke to a couple of the Ops last night in .com Only one reccommended that the tourney site be located somewhere other than .us So, I will move the location of the site. Also, it seems the people in .com that have a problem with .us aren't really active players anyway and aren't going to play. So, basically Add got all poopy pants for no reason. Good luck on the ibl. Why would you use the analogy of .us being like a gay bar?? You sure are one rude prick and a punk too. :twisted: :evil: :twisted: :evil:

Sky

too funny,

Sky you can call my every single name in your book that you feel good about calling me, hillarious it is, but plz have your fun.

You have really taken that analogy wayeeeee overboard, I coulda switched it around and compared.com to a gay bar and it woulda been a different story to you I'm sure, I coulda compared .us to heaven and you woulda praised me for it, You guys are fighting a battle I would prefer not.

When I was fronted about this in .us channel a player private messaged me and asked, "so why have u sided with .com", then while in .com one day I got another pvt msg from a different person asking me why I sided with .us.
First off I am on neither side. I really think in general we all need to learn to co-exist and get along, alot of us, (including myself in some instances, which is why skywalker I apoligize greatly for calling you ignorant or ne other harsh and wrong thing as such) are acting a lil immature about this.

furthermore have I offended ne body by my last analogy abou the bar, then I apoligize shearly my point was not to say .us is equivalent or relevant to a gay bar, however it may actually be pictured as such by some ppl how dislike .us and what it stands for is all. however dont mistaken that I am not one of those individuals.

most ppl are not after 1x1 tourneys from what I gathered fi, alot are excited about bringing back the 2x2 leaugues, which is the first reason why I looked for ibl, I however could be wrong still,
perhaps ppl consider me as a fence sitter but I have dear friends staying true to .com and dear friends staying true to .us and I really wish they would come together but for now I know thas not gonna happen so I was hoping that at least for tourney purposes we could have the tourney in a neutral grnded area.

Perhaps my vision of this is far fetched and incapable of happening, but I am stating point blank here and now, becuz I have ppl in .com and .us that I care about, if the tourney can not be placed in a neutral area I will not be able to participate, and that really puts me in a rock and a hard place, which I really shouldnt have to be in.

fi: I know your not trying to come down on me, and even though sky called me a "prick" I know we still have fond memories of him and I in the past and me introducing irc to him, and I still care deeply about that guy.

thas all for now, (prolly too much)

Sincerely addy

I've been playing WB for about 4 months now. And I for one have started going to .us more than .com for the irc channels and the reason for that is it's more fun. I know that when I start irc, I log onto both .us and .com, but i wind up chating more in .us.

From reading the posts about the war between certain peoples, I know that by doing that makes it appear I'm siding with the ".us" people.

I don't know the details of what caused the rift, nor do i want to know the details. Because i'm not going to side with either one. I pick my friends myself and am not easily swayed by what others think. I have defended Min, MaddMaxx, Ren, and dz. And I consider them as friends.

I will say this for LRL, and that is he allows the kids to play and as a result they're learning irc scripting. It's gets a little annoying at times, but they're having fun. He's also volunteered web space for the tourney, as well for others to create personal web sites. And to me, this is promoting WB. Where's the real discussion occuring about the tourney and IBL, on .us. Why? Because of the number of people drawn to the room.

wonka wrote:

I've been playing WB for about 4 months now. And I for one have started going to .us more than .com for the irc channels and the reason for that is it's more fun. I know that when I start irc, I log onto both .us and .com, but i wind up chating more in .us.

From reading the posts about the war between certain peoples, I know that by doing that makes it appear I'm siding with the ".us" people.

I don't know the details of what caused the rift, nor do i want to know the details. Because i'm not going to side with either one. I pick my friends myself and am not easily swayed by what others think. I have defended Min, MaddMaxx, Ren, and dz. And I consider them as friends.

I will say this for LRL, and that is he allows the kids to play and as a result they're learning irc scripting. It's gets a little annoying at times, but they're having fun. He's also volunteered web space for the tourney, as well for others to create personal web sites. And to me, this is promoting WB. Where's the real discussion occuring about the tourney and IBL, on .us. Why? Because of the number of people drawn to the room.

WONKA you are the fucking man. that is so true. here here!

i dont give a shit what side you guys wanna believe in. i like who i like and a dislike what i dont like. you babies can do what you want, but please oh please dont go pushing your crazy cult like religious beliefs on others.

i meant religion like cult beliefs, but same diff eh? all hail the tank, the lgm and the holy pill box!

underdog wrote:

i meant religion like cult beliefs, but same diff eh? all hail the tank, the lgm and the holy pill box!

Yes!!! I have intended since long ago to make WinBolo into a cult!! A kewl 1 tho, where we get to sacrafice ren and drink pig's blood!!!

fi wrote:

Heh addbot, now yoiu're comparing the .us server to a gay bar? You sure have a way to make us feel loved.

I knew the moment he said that someone would take it the wrong way - he was trying to make you understand a point. But you continue to act(?) stupid on the matter. fi, your a smart guy, or so I'd like to think, so why don't you use your brain?

fi wrote:

You call IBL non-bias - but it requires an IRC Channel to run on. If you run #IBL on irc.winbolo.com, there are a number of us who are offended by that server and what it stands for and will not sign up and play IBL if it's run on irc.winbolo.com.

People are offended by irc.winbolo.com and all it stands for? Funny, seems ten set it up for Elvis for the Winbolo community, so it stands for WINBOLO, the original. irc.winbolo.us in my opinion stands for a power struggle that LRL started because he couldn't have his own way on irc.winbolo.com, so in my opinion irc.winbolo.us doesn't stand for Winbolo at all but ones quest for power over a game and community. He dishes out mod's and server op's in order to obtain control by luring over the weak minded or just plain blind and newbie’s, those who think that their new found "power" actually proves something or is worth something. Yes, irc.winbolo.us is so much better because you can make personal attacks on people (including ops) and get away with it? - yeah that’s great there fi - that’s not how real life works, go out and make a personal attack on a cop, I dare you.

why don't we jsut drink ren's blood it would be alot cooler, and FI i did write semi-unbiased in my responce to help addbot run this deal. even know i hate .us and everything it stands for I still wouldn't not let .us people play....I wouldn't pull a LRL and throttle there bandwidth if they were playing on my server, and if an important decision has to be made over someone i don't really like I will let someone else make that decision so it does not seem so prejudice. It wouldn't matter wich server we were on for ibl.....hell we could host it on the real efnet so its even more neutral and we don't have lrl prying in on the private messages of players. and wonka before the lrl split .com and .us........ the .com server was alot more fun then it is now

K! EFnet it is!! A nice, neutral place with no ops is what we require for this IBL thingye. Btw SJ, ur right, why waste a good pig when we can just drink ren's blood!

People are offended by irc.winbolo.com and all it stands for? Funny, seems ten set it up for Elvis for the Winbolo community, so it stands for WINBOLO, the original. irc.winbolo.us in my opinion stands for a power struggle that LRL started because he couldn't have his own way on irc.winbolo.com, so in my opinion irc.winbolo.us doesn't stand for Winbolo at all but ones quest for power over a game and community.

Not my fault that ten set up a policy on .com that led to wide-spread discontentment among a lot of people.. Everyone, from Nemo, Killjoy, SJ, and many others have at various times wanted to set up a separate server away from .com to avoid going to it and still be involved in the winbolo community - SJ even ran his own IRC server for a while, as did Nemo/Killjoy try to set up a separate #winbolo channel in their times of discord with min. LRL is the first to succeed because he had the courage to install a policy that was radically different from what existed - a policy that treats everyone equally regarless of whether they are granted ops or not.

He dishes out mod's and server op's in order to obtain control by luring over the weak minded or just plain blind and newbie’s,

So you call everyone (except the 2-3 people who go on .com and not on .us) weak minded and plain blind. Interesting.

Yes, irc.winbolo.us is so much better because you can make personal attacks on people (including ops) and get away with it? - yeah that’s great there fi - that’s not how real life works, go out and make a personal attack on a cop, I dare you.

There you go with preferential treatment - you think you should be above all personal attacks because your hubbie has server ops, and yet you dish out personal attacks (comment on my usage of my brain, and comment on everyone who goes on .us being weak minded and plain blind) to everyone else.

Suicide Jockey wrote:

why don't we jsut drink ren's blood it would be alot cooler,

Mmmmmm, I heard it taste quite good - I can't wait! I hope Ren is kind enought to share his blood with us :).

and FI i did write semi-unbiased in my responce to help addbot run this deal. even know i hate .us and everything it stands for I still wouldn't not let .us people play....I wouldn't pull a LRL and throttle there bandwidth if they were playing on my server, and if an important decision has to be made over someone i don't really like I will let someone else make that decision so it does not seem so prejudice. It wouldn't matter wich server we were on for ibl.....hell we could host it on the real efnet so its even more neutral and we don't have lrl prying in on the private messages of players. and wonka before the lrl split .com and .us........ the .com server was alot more fun then it is now

I don't really care where the tourney website is - it makes no difference to me because I have nothing to do with its organization. It could be on Nemos website if he had one, or even your own, it wouldn't bother me as a website is a website is a website. I was just making a point that to call you un-bias in the whole .us/.com thing is streching the truth.

As for LRL prying on /msg - I saw you post that flame/accusation elsewhere too. Yes, he probably does have the ability to set up a script on his IRC server to do it, I don't deny that. Has he done it? I don't think so because I trust when he says he hasn't and he does not want to do anything to alienate the very people using his server. However, if people are concern about it - they can easily use dcc chat as I did a number of times on .com when I ws concerned about the server ops there having the possibility of evesdropping on me.

fi wrote:

Suicide Jockey wrote:

why don't we jsut drink ren's blood it would be alot cooler,

Mmmmmm, I heard it taste quite good - I can't wait! I hope Ren is kind enought to share his blood with us :).

We are going to sacrifice ren, he doesn't have to be kind, we'll just drain it outta him!

fi wrote:

Not my fault that ten set up a policy on .com that led to wide-spread discontentment among a lot of people.. Everyone, from Nemo, Killjoy, SJ, and many others have at various times wanted to set up a separate server away from .com to avoid going to it and still be involved in the winbolo community - SJ even ran his own IRC server for a while, as did Nemo/Killjoy try to set up a separate #winbolo channel in their times of discord with min. LRL is the first to succeed because he had the courage to install a policy that was radically different from what existed - a policy that treats everyone equally regarless of whether they are granted ops or not.

I know nothing about SJ's server, nor do I care, because I doubt he did it in an attempt for power. Killjoy and Nemo had a separate #Winbolo on a different server that they kept alive for when irc.winbolo.com went down, you know that as well as I do, so don't even try to pull that bullshit. I feel very strongly that LRL's server is because he wants "power" because of the loss of ops (even though they were "real" ops to begin with) on irc.winbolo.com, nothing more, nothing less.

fi wrote:

So you call everyone (except the 2-3 people who go on .com and not on .us) weak minded and plain blind. Interesting.

Kind of like the cults where everyone kills themselves at the end because their leader told them too. These people might be highly intelligent, but they are blinded by the lust for power - therefore causing those to become weak minded.

fi wrote:

There you go with preferential treatment - you think you should be above all personal attacks because your hubbie has server ops, and yet you dish out personal attacks (comment on my usage of my brain, and comment on everyone who goes on .us being weak minded and plain blind) to everyone else.

I don't think I should be above personal attacks, my "hubby" may have server op's, but if I step out of line he's not going to treat me any differently, in fact there’s a good chance that behind the scenes I would get reprimanded more so then anyone else. I don't however feel that telling you that I think you are smart, and that you need to actually use those smarts (aka your brain) is a personal attack, but more of a compliment of sorts - kind of like how a teacher tells you that they know you’re smart, you just need to apply yourself. As for my comment on weak minded and plain blind people, I didn't see myself pinpointing anyone, therefore not making it a personal attack.

finally, someone who belives my power-corruption theory!!! HostileToy, why would LRL go through all the trouble to make his own server and become an op if he just implemented rules saying that he can't even kick or ban pplz (unless they flood)? Thus taking away much of his own power!

Madd Maxx wrote:

finally, someone who belives my power-corruption theory!!! HostileToy, why would LRL go through all the trouble to make his own server and become an op if he just implemented rules saying that he can't even kick or ban pplz (unless they flood)? Thus taking away much of his own power!

LRL had his "op's" removed on irc.winbolo.com, they were not "real" op's, they were just auto ops from people who had "real" ops. This pissed him off. He made numerous threats to those certain people.

In order to take "power" away from these certain people he created a server of his own (irc.winbolo.us) and lured people over with the promise of "power" therefore taking away from the other people on irc.winbolo.com.

Therefore the whole implementation of his server is to gain power by raping the original community and molding it to his liking.

I set up a server to try taking ppl from #winbolo? I admit i set up an irc server, when lrl was first discussing this....helping him foolishly with config etc.........I also run one once in awhile to test my bots to prevent flooding etc.....i have never once asked people/ or wanted people to join a server i was running. Although i did set up a channel....well me n killjoy did as a joke against #aerobolo way before you were even around. So you can't even comment on that. And fi its funny how you took HostileToy telling you that you need to mature a little as a personal attack, it's only an attack if you aren't mature in your own mind. and maddmaxx......like if someone actually pissed him off LRL wouldn't hesitate to toss his terms of service out the window, he is a man run by greed.....if someone's going to hinder him from being the supreme ruler there going to die, much like a stalinistic USSR. I would call it nazi germany but you guys are so hell bent on your equality it must be communist. Man you guys are fucked up, FI tries stirring up trouble as much as I do, We'll call you LRL Jr. wait ren has that title....you can be LRL^2

I know nothing about SJ's server, nor do I care, because I doubt he did it in an attempt for power. Killjoy and Nemo had a separate #Winbolo on a different server that they kept alive for when irc.winbolo.com went down, you know that as well as I do, so don't even try to pull that bullshit.

Nemo (or Killjoy I forget which one) told me about their attempt to get gamebots and people to come on #winbolo back when they were at serious odds with Min for a short while. However, they were not successfull in drawing people there. From what I remember in our conversation, their attempt was short-lived, and anyway they eventually got back in good raport with Min.

I feel very strongly that LRL's server is because he wants "power" because of the loss of ops (even though they were "real" ops to begin with) on irc.winbolo.com, nothing more, nothing less.

I must admit, that some stuff LRL said a while ago made it seemed like he was out for power - especially the way he requested ops when he was relatively brand new to the winbolo community. Although I can't really blame him too much - seeing how the best way to prevent being kicked/banned from an op's bad mood on .com as to have ops yourself.

Nevertherless, power is not inherently a bad thing - both Nemokrad and Min requested power over the .com server, and it was given to them. What matters is how that power is used - if it is used for creating an improved place for the community then that power is something that can benefit everyone a great deal.

One thing to keep in mind Liz, is that LRL had the winbolo.us server for a very long time - since mid-2002. But hardly anbody went on it - and why should they after all? It had the same policy as .com. The explosion of people on the winbolo.us server started happening 2.5 months ago only after he put up a policy that would create a server that tolerated everyone and ensured that ops respected each individual by not kicking/banning them out of personal reasons. Only then did people start going on that server because there was now a true alternative to the way .com was run.

Kind of like the cults where everyone kills themselves at the end because their leader told them too. These people might be highly intelligent, but they are blinded by the lust for power - therefore causing those to become weak minded

Heh, so now you're saying everyone going on .us will kill themselves if LRL ask them to? :). LRL, remind me where you wanted me to send you all my cash and all my prized porno oh Supreme Leader Whom I Blindly Follow.

I don't think I should be above personal attacks,

So why the remark about offending cops as proof that one should not flame an op/mod?

I don't however feel that telling you that I think you are smart, and that you need to actually use those smarts (aka your brain) is a personal attack, but more of a compliment of sorts - kind of like how a teacher tells you that they know you’re smart, you just need to apply yourself. As for my comment on weak minded and plain blind people, I didn't see myself pinpointing anyone, therefore not making it a personal attack

Sure, I suppose it's good you think I'm smart. Though you're a little tricky there saying you're like a teacher trying to tell me I should use more of a brain, that's an ingenous way of trying to one-upman me :)

Ps. Wow. This suprises the hell out of me to say this…but umm...MM actually made a good point in one of his post.

set up a server to try taking ppl from #winbolo? I admit i set up an irc server, when lrl was first discussing this....helping him foolishly with config etc.........I also run one once in awhile to test my bots to prevent flooding etc.....i have never once asked people/ or wanted people to join a server i was running. Although i did set up a channel....

Well, I just remember you saying you set up a server but nobody went to it. You and I have had a few discussions a long time ago before about setting a separate server away from .com.

.like if someone actually pissed him off LRL wouldn't hesitate to toss his terms of service out the window, he is a man run by greed.....

Nah.

if someone's going to hinder him from being the supreme ruler there going to die, much like a stalinistic USSR. I would call it nazi germany but you guys are so hell bent on your equality it must be communist. Man you guys are fucked up, FI tries stirring up trouble as much as I do, We'll call you LRL Jr. wait ren has that title....you can be LRL^2

Heh, then you can be Min Jr. :)