Dan_the_Man and Matt007 are banned

Nov 15, 2003 19:38 Dan_the_Man and Matt007 are banned
All,

The computer from which Dan_the_Man and Matt007 play has been banned from the .us server. Dan intentionally ruined a few games today after being warned of the consequences, so now he gets to face them. It's somewhat unfortunate that this also means Matt007 is banned, but there's no way around it. Gotta control your siblings.

Time to find a new hobby guys.

Kax
Nov 15, 2003 19:43
Hmmm, I think that that ban sounds right. DoS attacks are a kickable/bannable offense as stated in the #winbolo policy for irc.winbolo.us. How long will they be banned for? You have to make some sort of a time limit and follow it. In what WAY did he ruin these games? (just curious)
Nov 15, 2003 19:50
Game (1): 1x1 Ren v. Kas

Dan joins, refuses to leave, spams the channel with endless demands to be able to play, then starts grabbing bases. All quit.

Game (2): 1x1 Ren v. Kas (rematch due to Dan)

Dan again joins. I warn him what will happen if he does it again. This time he waits until the baserun is over, then locks/unlocks the game 6x in succession, again spamming the messsage line. When he gets bored of that, he says "Let's play!" and drives around on the map. All quit.
Nov 15, 2003 19:51
Sorry. When I said "spams the channel," I meant "spams the message line."
Nov 15, 2003 19:53
ahhh. WHY DIDN'T YOU LOCK THE FUCKING GAME??
Nov 15, 2003 20:02
I was also thinking why dont you lock the game? Everyone locks the game when they play 1x1, comeon.
Nov 15, 2003 20:07
Maybe Dan_the_Man joined before they could lock the game. Maybe that could be the answer.
Nov 15, 2003 20:11
Madd Maxx wrote:
ahhh. WHY DIDN'T YOU LOCK THE FUCKING GAME??


Sgt.Snake wrote:
I was also thinking why dont you lock the game? Everyone locks the game when they play 1x1, comeon.


Good point guys. *applause*

Kax
Nov 15, 2003 20:52
you welcome!
Nov 15, 2003 21:29
a ban is also needed for this guy:

cool hand luke

ip: pool-64-223-184-252.man.east


he was using a speed hack CONTINUOUSLY IN AN AT LEAST TWO OPEN GAMES. I have 2 videos showing him EXCUSIVELY using the hack. i believe addbot, thuglife, duder, dudley, leon, and other ppl saw, but no one really said much.

e-mail me or contact me for the vids.
Nov 15, 2003 21:31
speed hax fun!
Nov 15, 2003 23:13
Kax, thanks for the post.

the .us policy clearly states that the rules for pw games must be followed, and one of those rules is that people must leave a pw game if asked.
Nov 15, 2003 23:35
Q-mandabomb wrote:
a ban is also needed for this guy:

cool hand luke

ip: pool-64-223-184-252.man.east


he was using a speed hack CONTINUOUSLY IN AN AT LEAST TWO OPEN GAMES. I have 2 videos showing him EXCUSIVELY using the hack. i believe addbot, thuglife, duder, dudley, leon, and other ppl saw, but no one really said much.

e-mail me or contact me for the vids.
Q-mand - that seems like an issue best handled by the individual game server bot owners
Nov 16, 2003 08:49
if I had done something like that on .com while I was there .. the bitching would have been endless (in regards the the ban) ... fucking hypocritical bastards.

Min
Nov 16, 2003 13:49
I feel sorry for you min, want me to send you a virtual hug?
Nov 16, 2003 14:20
I think this action sounds a little extreme. Since the games were probably being played on renbot. Ren could've blocked the ip address so dan couldn't have joined.

Also, Maxx is correct with his question.... how long?

Dan, you can still get the pwds from .com
Nov 16, 2003 15:32
One followup: Banning Dan/Matt from .us was futile. Since he was interfering with a game he can still get the passwords from elsewhere. (.com) for starters. Or, he can get a little more creative on how to obtain passwords. There are other ways to get past being banned.

So... unless he is also banned from sheepbot, renbot, narebot, pawnybot, bluebot... and whatever other bots/game servers may be out there... y'all are pissing into the wind.
Nov 16, 2003 15:34
wtf ren was playing kax 1 x1 there was 4people in the game. oppsite is waring if i satred so i didnt ren and kax LEFT SO I STARED . it was me and oppsite 2 people he said he will ban ME FROM PASSWORDS :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: so he did becuase i started whit 2 people there . I WANT A ATTORNEY.
Nov 16, 2003 16:01
most attorneys dont speak retard.
Nov 16, 2003 16:27
since i'm a free man, i don't real give a hoot about the #winbolo policy :P

j/k
Nov 16, 2003 16:42
I went back thru the game logs.... i found 2 games were ren, kas, and dan were in the games.

game 1. Last Heard: Sat Nov 15 14:01:48 EST
13:58:23 Kas just joined alliance with Onani.
13:57:51 Kas just joined alliance with Non Winbolo.net participant.
13:57:25 Kas just joined game.
13:56:38 Dan_the_man just left game.
13:56:34 Dan_the_man just captured a neutral base.

13:55:50 Ren just joined alliance with Saiyan.
13:53:48 Dan_the_man just joined game.
13:52:45 Saiyan just joined game.
13:52:34 Onani just joined game.
13:52:32 Ren just joined game.
13:52:22 Non Winbolo.net participant just joined game.

Notice the 5 minute delay from when ren joined and kas did?

game 2. Last Heard: Sat Nov 15 16:32:54 EST 2003
14:05:43 Non Winbolo.net participant just left game.
14:04:43 Non Winbolo.net participant just joined game.
14:04:37 Dan_the_man just joined game.
14:04:23 Kas just joined alliance with Non Winbolo.net participant.
14:04:06 Non Winbolo.net participant just joined game.
14:03:44 Kas just joined game.
14:03:44 Ren just joined game.

notice that there was 45 seconds from when ren & kas joined to when dan joined. plus kas allied with someone in the mean time.

Also, no one but ren and kas actually played until both had left game. no bases, no pills.

14:11:53 Dan_the_man just left alliance.
14:11:47 Dan_the_man just killed Non Winbolo.net participant.
14:11:43 Dan_the_man just captured a neutral base.
14:11:37 Dan_the_man just captured a neutral base.
14:11:17 Non Winbolo.net participant just left game.
14:11:15 Ren just left game.
14:11:15 Ren just captured a neutral base.
14:11:13 Ren just captured a neutral pillbox.
14:11:10 Ren just captured a neutral pillbox.
14:10:58 Kas just left game.
Nov 16, 2003 17:30
Here's a consolidated reply to all y'all bizniches:

Min wrote:
if I had done something like that on .com while I was there .. the bitching would have been endless (in regards the the ban) ... fucking hypocritical bastards.


Who luvs ya baby?

wonka wrote:
I think this action sounds a little extreme. Since the games were probably being played on renbot. Ren could've blocked the ip address so dan couldn't have joined.

Also, Maxx is correct with his question.... how long?

Dan, you can still get the pwds from .com


Look everyone, it's Wonka, savior of the huddled and oppressed masses. He's like the Neo of Winbolo, except that we've already got one of those.

Maybe Ren could have done that, but it's entirely irrelevant. The .us server has rules of etiquette by which people are bound during games, and if you don't follow them, you're not permitted to join .us. The fact that Ren could have enacted that filter doesn't matter a whit, because I don't want Dan joining my games on sheepbot and doing the same thing.

As for the notion that he can get the passwords on .com, well, maybe. But (1) given Dan's behavior, I'm not sure why they'd want him either, and (2) more relevantly, Wonka, wtf do you care whether Dan is banned? Do you think this sort of thing is ok? If so, stay the hell away from me please.

Finally, regarding the length of the ban, how about something like "until Dan figures out what he did wrong." Read his post, rescribed directly below, and tell me whether you think he has. In fact, if you can even figure out what the heck he means, let me know.

Dan_the_man wrote:
wtf ren was playing kax 1 x1 there was 4people in the game. oppsite is waring if i satred so i didnt ren and kax LEFT SO I STARED . it was me and oppsite 2 people he said he will ban ME FROM PASSWORDS :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: so he did becuase i started whit 2 people there . I WANT A ATTORNEY.


Conveniently enough, I am an attorney. I told you before the game in all capital letters that if you played at all, you would be banned from .us, because you'd just ruined the previous game. And you played. Even an elementary school student ought to be able to solve that equation.

And for the record, Ren was not playing me, as you might have noticed by virtue my sitting in the ocean the whole game, which is what you should have been doing. The fact that there were four players in the game has nothing to do with whether it's a 1x1. No one left before you started, if by "started" you mean "started playing," which is usually what that means. The sequence of events was this:

(1) I warn you to be a normal person.
(2) Kas and Ren start playing
(3) You lock/unlock the game 6 times
(4) You say "Let's play" and start driving around the map
(5) Kas quits
(6) You take a base.

Let me know if I'm missing anything, such as what your parents were thinking when they went for number two.

wonka wrote:
I went back thru the game logs.... i found 2 games were ren, kas, and dan were in the games.

game 1. Last Heard: Sat Nov 15 14:01:48 EST
13:58:23 Kas just joined alliance with Onani.
13:57:51 Kas just joined alliance with Non Winbolo.net participant.
13:57:25 Kas just joined game.
13:56:38 Dan_the_man just left game.
13:56:34 Dan_the_man just captured a neutral base.

13:55:50 Ren just joined alliance with Saiyan.
13:53:48 Dan_the_man just joined game.
13:52:45 Saiyan just joined game.
13:52:34 Onani just joined game.
13:52:32 Ren just joined game.
13:52:22 Non Winbolo.net participant just joined game.

Notice the 5 minute delay from when ren joined and kas did?



An excellent point. Ren and Kas didn't join the game at the same time. Ergo, it must not have been a 1x1 betwen them. I can't wait for the closing argument.

wonka wrote:

game 2. Last Heard: Sat Nov 15 16:32:54 EST 2003
14:05:43 Non Winbolo.net participant just left game.
14:04:43 Non Winbolo.net participant just joined game.
14:04:37 Dan_the_man just joined game.
14:04:23 Kas just joined alliance with Non Winbolo.net participant.
14:04:06 Non Winbolo.net participant just joined game.
14:03:44 Kas just joined game.
14:03:44 Ren just joined game.

notice that there was 45 seconds from when ren & kas joined to when dan joined. plus kas allied with someone in the mean time.


This must be the closing argument I was waiting for, becuase it's even worse. So now your point is that, if two players have set up a 1x1 but a third joins soon after the two players join, it's no longer a 1x1? Bravo. Ren was inviting people to watch, and we were letting someone who'd been in the previous game that Dan had Danned. And FYI, Kas allied me, because I was watching. The difference between me and Dan, aside from 17 years of age and 30 years of maturity, is that I took the radical approach of watching from the ocean instead of driving around the map.

wonka wrote:


Also, no one but ren and kas actually played until both had left game. no bases, no pills.

14:11:53 Dan_the_man just left alliance.
14:11:47 Dan_the_man just killed Non Winbolo.net participant.
14:11:43 Dan_the_man just captured a neutral base.
14:11:37 Dan_the_man just captured a neutral base.
14:11:17 Non Winbolo.net participant just left game.
14:11:15 Ren just left game.
14:11:15 Ren just captured a neutral base.
14:11:13 Ren just captured a neutral pillbox.
14:11:10 Ren just captured a neutral pillbox.
14:10:58 Kas just left game.


Ok bright boy, here we go again. Tell me how Dan could have gotten a base in a 1x1 between Kas and Ren, even after the baserun is over. [Kax waits for an answer] [Kax looks at his watch repeatedly] Give up? The answer is that "Kas just left game." That is, Dan started driving his sorry ass around the map, as I said but apparently you didn't read, causing one of the players to quit. Note that "Dan drives around the map with no grace, skill, or sense of propriety" is not an entry that is usually reflected in the game log. After Kas quit, Dan took his bases. If your position is that anything short of taking bases is fair game when you're an observer, maybe you need a talking to as well.

Kax
Nov 16, 2003 17:50
wow, touchy aren't we if someone questions why you did something. I don't think my post made it a personal issue. But apparently you took it that way.
Nov 16, 2003 17:59
It's not touchiness, it's frustration. I explained twice why I did what I did, namely because Dan started driving around on a map during someone else's game, and you produced logs and basically said "See? No he didn't. Dan, go get the passwords from .com." Wouldn't you be a little irritated? I mean, I was sitting there watching it, and you are trying to divine from logs something that the logs don't record in order to tell me I'm wrong.

And Min, sorry you feel that way dude. As far as I know, though, no one ever had a problem with banning people due to messing with passworded games. I know I never did -- banning dZ for his crap was fine with me. The only thing I ever cared about was smackin' people down for acting dumb on wbn or in the channel. Believe me, if that were enough to get people banned on .us, I'd have done this to Dan a long time ago, and to many others besides.
Nov 16, 2003 18:32
Kax wrote:
Game (1): 1x1 Ren v. Kas

Dan joins, refuses to leave, spams the channel with endless demands to be able to play, then starts grabbing bases. All quit.

Game (2): 1x1 Ren v. Kas (rematch due to Dan)

Dan again joins. I warn him what will happen if he does it again. This time he waits until the baserun is over, then locks/unlocks the game 6x in succession, again spamming the messsage line. When he gets bored of that, he says "Let's play!" and drives around on the map. All quit.


Let's go back to the logs again...

Game 1: Dan takes ONE base then leaves. hardly "then starts grabbing bases. All quit.". They quit only after the game is played.

Game 2: "he says "Let's play!" and drives around on the map. All quit" The game logs don't show if someone is jaywalking. But even in texas jaywalking doesn't carry the death penalty. Also ren and kas play the game, for 3 minutes.

14:11:15 Ren just left game.
14:11:15 Ren just captured a neutral base.
14:11:13 Ren just captured a neutral pillbox.
14:11:10 Ren just captured a neutral pillbox.
14:10:58 Kas just left game.
14:10:38 Non Winbolo.net participant just joined alliance with Non Winbolo.net participant.
14:10:30 Kas just captured a neutral pillbox.
14:10:30 Kas just captured a neutral base.
14:10:28 Kas just captured a neutral pillbox.
14:10:26 Ren just captured a neutral pillbox.
14:10:26 Ren just captured a neutral pillbox.
14:10:26 Ren just captured a neutral base.
14:09:50 Ren just lost their builder.
14:09:44 Ren just captured a neutral pillbox.
14:09:38 Non Winbolo.net participant just joined game.
14:09:20 Non Winbolo.net participant just joined alliance with Dan_the_man.
14:09:13 Kas just captured a neutral base.
14:09:12 Kas just captured a neutral base.
14:09:12 Ren just captured a neutral base.
14:09:09 Ren just captured a neutral base.
14:09:07 Ren just captured a neutral base.
14:09:07 Kas just captured a neutral base.
14:09:01 Ren just captured a neutral base.
14:09:01 Kas just captured a neutral base.
14:08:59 Kas just captured a neutral base.
14:08:57 Ren just captured a neutral base.
14:08:57 Kas just captured a neutral base.
14:08:55 Ren just captured a neutral base.

At the point kas quit, ren was up 3 pills to 2. maybe it was because dan was driving around kas. I don't know since i wasn't there. but no one takes a pill nor a base until both ren and kas leave the game.

to paraphrase something you said to me earlier... Ok bright boy, now what?
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