eye for an eye?

Eye for an eye, and the world will be blind. (Ghandhi)

Eyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyye (me after losing lgm and 4 pills)

underdog wrote:

And I have yet to see LRL publically admit to hacking, or any proof in the matter.

frenzy wrote:

looks like i was wrong. after checking both fi's site and .us it clearly states no hacking at all. so, i'm not forsure why lrl didn't get banned. maybe that rule wasn't implemented until after.

ask him yourself then underdog. i'm curious to see what he tells you

frenzy wrote:

looks like i was wrong. after checking both fi's site and .us it clearly states no hacking at all. so, i'm not forsure why lrl didn't get banned. maybe that rule wasn't implemented until after.

To clarify.
1) On my password game rules page, it states a ban from #winbolo can results for using a hack in *passworded games* set by a gamebot in #winbolo:

2) On the main .us policy page, it states a ban can result from the entire IRC server for hacking into the *IRC Server* itself.

It does not mention anything about hacking in open games, or hacking in non-password games. Thus, as far as IRC goes and #winbolo goes, we do not take formal action against people who use hacks in open or non-passworded games.

Gamebot owners themselves however can (and usually do) restrict users who have hacked (or done anything they dissaprove of) from entering their bot's games. Who they ban from their game servers, and for what is completely 100% up to the bot owners.

I hope this clarifies it frenzy.

skywalker wrote:

ask him yourself then underdog. i'm curious to see what he tells you

[13:05] <underdog> ok ill follow on sky's request
[13:05] <underdog> Hey lance, you hack?
[13:07] <LRLd> in sky's touny? noper | in that open with madscout yep, but it was used in a jocular manor, not an "I'm going to kick all your asses and laugh manor"
[13:07] <underdog> right. so you have not broken policy whatsoever
[13:07] <underdog> as much as dz and sky like to make out
[13:07] <FireIce> indeed

don't group me with Dz first off. Secondly, as far as what i read it states no hacking. it didnt say non password games or not, just NO Hacking. Third, underdog, not fi said that LRL never said he publicly hacked. I said it wasnt in my tourny already. So the reason for you to post that log is pathetic. My message was clear and should not have been confusing in any way. Ok Big guy.

Cheating or hacking is not tolerated because WinBolo is played against other people rather than a computer, so hacking would directly hurt another human player. If you cheat or hack, you will be identified very quickly, nobody will play with you, and your tracker access will be taken away. Do NOT ask for codes or hacks unless you enjoy being ridiculed. In the unlikely event that you do encounter hacking, confirm it with other players in the game and then report it to the irc channel #winbolo at irc.winbolo.com

from Fi's site

so, obviously MadScout was upset about LRL hacking, so why didnt he get banned? I agree that Dz should be banned too and MM and whoever else.

just to show you all, yet another lie.

[quote="fi]
Gamebot owners themselves however can (and usually do) restrict users who have hacked (or done anything they dissaprove of) from entering their bot's games. Who they ban from their game servers, and for what is completely 100% up to the bot owners.

I hope this clarifies it frenzy.[/quote]


I find that hard to believe... seeing how pawn tells me he has and is being really pressured to ban me from his server, yet he assured me, that i have not been, and will not be as long as do not use it again or ruin games on his server. So, if its LRL, sheeps, ud.. or mr. Fi... i would ask that you stop, as you are full aware of it breaking the rules>> YOU CREATED.

and secondly....

frenzy wrote:

don't group me with Dz first off

you are right there, your a league below me in this game.

--

Suicide Jockey wrote:

this is all fine n dandy ban him don't ban him whatfucking ever, but who say's fi is the rulemaker for what is right and wrong? sounds like it should be elvis' decision or somewhat a community decision, not based on the beliefs of one person.

I agree with yopu SJ and so far looking at how the community has voted 70% think LRL should be banned. I know I voted for it! Up with the Bros, down with the Hos! :lol:

sheepsy wrote:

You on the hand, have not tried to change your bahavior (in reality not words). You continue to not admit you did anything, yet I have heard from numberous credible players that you did hack (have you ever heard in court a witness giving proof? - same thing happens here).

And you are trying to tell me you did not try and screw up sheepbot?? You don't think I have proof of that? You made your bed...

Are maturity and responsibility too much to ask?

I admitted that i hacked, i stopped hacking completely, i have apologized, wtf do u want? Also, what do you mean by "credible" players? Most ppl hate me, they would gladly tell u a bunch of shit just to get me banned. It's easy as fuck to get ppl on video, they should do that.

underdoggy wrote:

hopefully the advent of logging will allow hackers and cheaters to be caught more efficiently. until then, either use spielborg, or use one of the onscreen video capture programs such as camtasia. ive had success with camtasia, and have a few dozen full games on video, with sound

Logging seems to be a waste of time.

sheepsy wrote:

Well, abuse is a better word then hack. He just went nuts starting, locking and killing games, just to be annoying. The best way to stop this kind of childlike behavior is to remove access.

I also, did not do that. I didn't go nuts starting, locking, and killing games as you claim i did. I spammed the bots (renbot n' sheepsybot) a few times, and aside from some haxing, that wuzzit.

Desmo wrote:

Eye for an eye, and the world will be blind. (Ghandhi)

I like that proverb ;)

Dz wrote:

fi wrote:

Gamebot owners themselves however can (and usually do) restrict users who have hacked (or done anything they dissaprove of) from entering their bot's games. Who they ban from their game servers, and for what is completely 100% up to the bot owners.

I hope this clarifies it frenzy.

I find that hard to believe... seeing how pawn tells me he has and is being really pressured to ban me from his server, yet he assured me, that i have not been, and will not be as long as do not use it again or ruin games on his server. So, if its LRL, sheeps, ud.. or mr. Fi... i would ask that you stop, as you are full aware of it breaking the rules>> YOU CREATED.

I couldn't agree with your more. I also think that pawny is being pressured by renny to ban me from his bot even though i have NEVER hacked on it or done it any harm.

-Madd Maxx-

P.S. Sorry for the hella-long post pplz!

skywalker wrote:

Cheating or hacking is not tolerated because WinBolo is played against other people rather than a computer, so hacking would directly hurt another human player. If you cheat or hack, you will be identified very quickly, nobody will play with you, and your tracker access will be taken away. Do NOT ask for codes or hacks unless you enjoy being ridiculed. In the unlikely event that you do encounter hacking, confirm it with other players in the game and then report it to the irc channel #winbolo at irc.winbolo.com

from Fi's site

so, obviously MadScout was upset about LRL hacking, so why didnt he get banned? I agree that Dz should be banned too and MM and whoever else.

Ok. I see the confusion.

I have two pages on my website concerning rules.

One is the netiquete page http://winbolo.netfirms.com/netiquette.shtml. That page is actually a page I put up 1.5 year ago that reflected the netiquette of winbolo at the time, before .us was even around. It is just a guide. It's actually outdated in some ways and is NOT a part of the .us policy. That is where you go the quote.

The second page, is one that is mentioned from the .us policy. That's the passworded game rules http://winbolo.netfirms.com/rules.shtml. That page is enforced by the .us policy. The .us policy is at http://www.winbolo.us/policy.htm. Those two pages constitute the policy of the IRC Server at irc.winbolo.us. And that is what my previous post concerning what is bannable and not refers to.

Sorry for the confusion. Maybe I take down the netiquette guide as it's outdated and may confuse people about what's allowed on the .us server since I have become heavily involved with its operation.

Again, the policy for op action on the .us server is outlined here:

http://www.winbolo.us/policy.htm
and
http://winbolo.netfirms.com/rules.shtml

And according to the .us policy, we do not ban people from #winbolo on the .us server for hacking open games or non passworded games.

Ok, just added a disclaimer to the netiquette page.

Fireice, i noticed you replied twice to skywalker, im still waiting for my reply. Its not like you didnt see it, and its not like im going to let it go. please, give me the explanation for this one. hopefully everything you say isn't just smoke and mirrors.

dz wrote:

just to show you all, yet another lie.

fi wrote:

Gamebot owners themselves however can (and usually do) restrict users who have hacked (or done anything they dissaprove of) from entering their bot's games. Who they ban from their game servers, and for what is completely 100% up to the bot owners.

I hope this clarifies it frenzy.

I find that hard to believe... seeing how pawn tells me he has and is being really pressured to ban me from his server, yet he assured me, that i have not been, and will not be as long as do not use it again or ruin games on his server. So, if its LRL, sheeps, ud.. or mr. Fi... i would ask that you stop, as you are full aware of it breaking the rules>> YOU CREATED.

and secondly....

frenzy wrote:

don't group me with Dz first off

you are right there, your a league below me in this game.

Oh, and yes, for anyone who is NOT server banned from .us, Please feel free to join my new channel, #dz. I will soon have my t5 shell based bot up and running. I am in the midst of trying to get it working with bitch x, alittle different then mirc. Oh ya, no one gets banned, unless i say so. No confusions, no misleading info... nothing. NOt 9 ops to discuss whether or not its fair... nothing.. 1. Please feel free to join up, and stay a while :)... btw: other bot scripts are being looked at, and tested and configured to add more fun into the irc life, other then just black and white letter, maybe a couple games or so. none the less..

1. Please feel free to join up, and stay a while :).

dZ

perhaps its time that the winbolo community greats its own "diplomatic" government system ... complete with voting for leaders .... etc .... with seats .. .etc .... that seems to be the only way this bullshit may stop .. all seems retarded to me ... either way .... #winbolo is in serious need of a change in leadership ... FI definatly shouldn't be anywhere near that change.

Min

min, its not your server. hence, you don't decide wether or not fi will run it ;). Anyways, on the topic of bot owners/ops being pressured to ban ppl, i thought that i would re-paste what ren recently put on the .us forum under the topic "Winbolo bot owners to ban these Ip's" (started by ren).

ren wrote:

Ok, well fellas. After mostly dealing with this stuff spewing all over today. I decided a few bans are in order. THe post for all arguments may be found here :
http://winbolo.net/forums/viewtopic.php?p=9559#9559
Who, what, when, where, and why!?
Dz's ban

• * Using a speed hack in a passworded game
  * Denying he should be banned
  * Denying he DID ANYTHING WRONG
  * For attempting a banwalk on renbot
  ---More about dz's ban---
  On Sunday night i was told by numerous people and i viewed a argument in the channel about Dz using a hack in a passworded game (pawnybot i recall). During a team game. Dz used the "speed hack", which is clearly not fair to the other players. After the game was killed. A argument was came accross in #winbolo. This conversation ended when Dz was banned by LRLd. As far as i'm concerned, Dz will be banned from renbot until speaking with Sheeps and Pawn. This ban can go from one week or indefinetly..
  ----------------------------------------------------
  Maddmaxx's ban
  MaddMaxx is the one i'm very suprised about. There are many many many words to explain this. The link above shows links in my posts of maddmaxx joining games from his NEW ip address. Other Winbolo'ers and I caught MaddMaxx playing a game on renbot and sheepbot, or in other words, preforming a ban-walk. A banwalk is when someone who jumps a ban from a IRC server or gamebot server and goes back in. I then banned MaddMaxx from his new IP address. In conclusion MaddMaxx's unbanning will no longer even be thought of on renbot unless my mind gets flipped and I decide he's suffered enough.
  Here are the games he joined,
  http://winbolo.net/gamelog.php?ip=sheeps.winbolo.us&port=62134&key=900be9ba057ea88e8f1603a88b174520
  http://winbolo.net/gamelog.php?ip=renbot.winbolo.us&port=62611&key=88c96aa828f487d167fc6d56806f12da
  -----------------------------------------------
  Ip's of those who i reccommend immediate ban.
  Maddmaxx's IP (There's 2 that need to be entered on your ban list, one might already be entered.)
  *
  and *
  Dz Aka mak, Aka DZaster's IP
  *
  If anyone has another one of Dz's Ip's please post it.
  
  -------------------------------------
  Ban lengths
  
  My thought on Dz's ban: 1 Month ban or indefinetly
  MaddMaxx: indefinetly
  
  Ps: i think a bot forum would be pretty good right about now ;)

As you can see, ren apparently thinks that he owns all the bots and that he can just tell ppl who to ban and when to ban them. He pressures ppl into banning. This is why i think i was banned from using pawnybot for no reason without any proof. Conclusion: Ren is a power-hungry lil' bastard.

Madd Maxx wrote:

min, its not your server. hence, you don't decide wether or not fi will run it ;)

if you don't like my opinion, cram it.

Madd Maxx wrote:

As you can see, ren apparently thinks that he owns all the bots and that he can just tell ppl who to ban and when to ban them. He pressures ppl into banning. This is why i think i was banned from using pawnybot for no reason without any proof. Conclusion: Ren is a power-hungry lil' bastard.

what do you expect? ... anyone who sets up a bot will soon begin to exhibit this sort of behavior. There should be a blanket policy put in place regarding bots ... and quite honestly ... it shouldn't be "its your bot, do what you like with it" If people want to run bots in the #winbolo channel, some level of control has to be put in place to govern how they are dealt with. But then ... most of you don't give a crap what I think anyways ...

Min

its unrealistic to think that you can hack on one server and not be banned from all of them btw .... I think a public ban list should be instigated ... people who should be banned from all bots in #winbolo .... and people who run those bots should either opt in on doing the banlist or not .... any new bots that are setup should have to agree to obeying that .... but like I said .. you guys don't give a crap what i think anyways .... so why do I even bother.

Min

who knows?

Ren wrote:

Dz's ban

• * Using a speed hack in a passworded game
  * Denying he should be banned
  * Denying he DID ANYTHING WRONG
  * For attempting a banwalk on renbot
  ---More about dz's ban---
  On Sunday night i was told by numerous people and i viewed a argument in the channel about Dz using a hack in a passworded game (pawnybot i recall). During a team game. Dz used the "speed hack", which is clearly not fair to the other players. After the game was killed. A argument was came accross in #winbolo. This conversation ended when Dz was banned by LRLd. As far as i'm concerned, Dz will be banned from renbot until speaking with Sheeps and Pawn. This ban can go from one week or indefinetly..

You see, this is the problem. People like ren, are dipping there nose too far inside the inner circle of lrl's sheeps.. or pawns.. if you will... Either or, let me tell everyone what really happened.

On sunday night, Flad, Zach, Stimpy, Underdog and I, played about 7 games ina row, alternating 2on3's (sorry im wrong, flad (sorry) you were always on the 3 team). After our last game we played flad said he was leaving.. i convinved him to stay, and i believe i *may* have been the one to create the game on pawnybot that would turn out to be our VERY last. WE all joined, and i was away from keyboard, when i got back zach was screwing (pshiong my boat on land.. etc, then tried onto a base) with me in the SE corner of chew toy 3. we drove around on grass for a while, until i realized this game was prolly not going to happen, and loaded a speed hack. i drove around grass for a bit.. flying by zach while he drove in the grass at normal speed. we both killled ourselves, and ended up gathering everyone int othe NE of ct3. Once all there, everyone was advised ihad a cheat loaded, and i drove around water mach3, and everyone was amazed. Then i say, WATCH THIS FLAD>>> MACHINE GUN.. and i grab 1 base,, and shoot so everyone can see the machine gun i now have... all the bullets from that base were gone within 3 seconds of holding the shoot button.. so i grab the base beside and do the same... then say brb... and i quit.. (how is that unfair to other players ren?? wtf did i do, that cheated them?)

Now, once i quit, i relized that flad had simply quit irc, therefore i didn;t attempt to rejoin the server.

Then, after.. UD whined and complained saying i ruined the game.. and he should ban me... and etc etc .. but didnt.. then you say ren i was on irc until lrld banned me? that is false.. i left after talking with ud, and saying bye to him... i didnt realize i was banned until i log in from my work computer, which would be a different address... and lrl bans me saying i did a ban walk..

Now, this just shows how lrl for one... cant ban me to my face.. this is not the first time he bans me when im not here.

and ren, you just blab you little gumms.. and holla to everyone .. everything you hear from your master.

dz

P.S. Ren you should not spend the money you recieve from your Bar Mitsva on increading your upload speed.

ren wrote:

As far as i'm concerned, Dz will be banned from renbot until speaking with Sheeps and Pawn. This ban can go from one week or indefinetly..

thats funny ren... It has been 2 days.. and i am not banned...

hehe. Thank you for clearing that shit up wittus!

weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

:idea:
dz wrote :

weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

I second the motion


:?: btw, anyone know how to make it say "[user] wrote:" and then their quote without having to tyupe their name and then use the quote button? 8)

k, to do this u simply type:
{quote="username"}text to qwote{/quote}
K? Don't forget the "'s around the name, and use ] and [ instead of { and }