Knuck masquerading as other people

A few days ago packer asked me to make an account for him because he had trouble making one on his own. I obliged him and made one. He asked for the information to be posted in IRC and he didn't seem to care if anyone saw it, I'm presuming because he thought the people there would have the dignity to uphold some honor amongst themselves. However, it seems that Knuckles (who had been having an conversation with packer about whether he had lost a 1x1 between them) didn't abide by the standards that should be expected from a member of the IRC community. Not only did he begin masquerading as packer, but he also hijacked the account so that packer wouldn't be able to access it. He has continued to do so even after being asked to stop. In response, I ask that he be banned from IRC since he disrespects the players on there. By the way, in the second picture, it shows he said didn't care whether or not he was banned...

Edit: The real packer's IP is shown in the first picture under "packer1".

first ask yourself if it meets anything under this policy

winbolo.us/policy.htm

but then again,
1) it did effect a game
2) in a way, irc was abused to effect another players game play

zomg! I see myself!

harl91 wrote:

first ask yourself if it meets anything under this policy

winbolo.us/policy.htm

but then again,
1) it did effect a game
2) in a way, irc was abused to effect another players game play

and then ask yourself why you would bother trying to have anything done under a already known flaw irc policy. In my opinion, if packer didn't log in and change his password for the new account right away, too bad for him. Password is ownership.

Min

BruceCampbell wrote:

Knuckles began masquerading as packer

Well, Packer has been masquerading as Acro since mid-2003.

Really throws a lot of things into focus, doesn't it?

CF

It's far more complex than that, O Simple One.

Wow, nothing out of the ordinary here.....

Even if Knuckles "hijacked" Packers login 'n what not. I agree with Min: Passwords are a responsibility and ownership to the player, if its spouted out in IRC then its not only irresponsible that it was, but its equally, an open door for trouble. And why not just create another for him, and this time do not share it with everyone, thats why they allow "IM's" in IRC.

Acro wrote:

It's far more complex than that, O Simple One.

FI? Nooooo!

CF

There is certainly a couple of ways to look at this. Yes, the world is tough, and its easy to say "hey, you screwed up, so your f#*@ed!"

I just think there is a more friendly way to go about it... It's clear what happened here. The laughs been had. Give the nick back to the person it ought to belong to (assuming he wants it) and move on.

The wisdom of Master Fermat.

i agree, fun has been had. here you go packer.

username: packer
password: younoob

:twisted:

wow.... thats interesting min. as i recall you held a completely opposing view on someone logging in under someone else's account and adamant on your stance of following the TOS (http://www.winbolo.net/legal.php ) of .net, saying something like ignorance of the law is not an excuse to break it. Why in this situation do you say "In my opinion, if packer didn't log in and change his password for the new account right away, too bad for him. Password is ownership. "

and on another note, if you feel the irc policy is flawed, why do you come on irc? im interested in knowing. i mean, since you know the policy, by using irc you are agreeing to abide by it are you not?

underdog wrote:

wow.... thats interesting min. as i recall you held a completely opposing view on someone logging in under someone else's account and adamant on your stance of following the TOS (http://www.winbolo.net/legal.php ) of .net, saying something like ignorance of the law is not an excuse to break it. Why in this situation do you say "In my opinion, if packer didn't log in and change his password for the new account right away, too bad for him. Password is ownership. "

it was a new account, it wasn't 'his' .... he hadn't made hundreds of posts under that name. Unlike the situation were you abused someone elses account. Nice try though.

underdog wrote:

and on another note, if you feel the irc policy is flawed, why do you come on irc? im interested in knowing. i mean, since you know the policy, by using irc you are agreeing to abide by it are you not?

umm, I don't have to 'agree to abide' by anything to join irc, if I happen to abide by the policy by inaction on my part, cool. Thats like saying that all the people who constantly abuse the policy have 'agreed to abide by it' when really they havn't, and couldn't care less about it, or its existance. I come on irc becuase in past I've made a few friends there, and I'm not about to let some retarded policy written by a few morons stop me. Especially since that particular irc chat room is not going to exist forever.

Min

Hmm, is that Kreep that used to play Mac Bolo from usc.edu?

Unless the one you're thinking of was a 5-year-old grad student, probably not.

I think he was a grad student working out of the USC medical center campus in the mid-90's. Used to play late nights (10PM-2AM pacific).

You're forgetting reverse aging Nova.

Acro wrote:

You're forgetting reverse aging Nova.

And I wish you would do some reverse posting, Acro.

CF

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Min wrote:

underdog wrote:

wow.... thats interesting min. as i recall you held a completely opposing view on someone logging in under someone else's account and adamant on your stance of following the TOS (http://www.winbolo.net/legal.php ) of .net, saying something like ignorance of the law is not an excuse to break it. Why in this situation do you say "In my opinion, if packer didn't log in and change his password for the new account right away, too bad for him. Password is ownership. "

it was a new account, it wasn't 'his' .... he hadn't made hundreds of posts under that name. Unlike the situation were you abused someone elses account. Nice try though.

Where in the TOS does it say its ok to abuse the account if it is new or if the account doesnt have hundreds of posts made by the account holder? I fail to see where that is said or implied. When someone makes an account, it is their account.

underdog wrote:

and on another note, if you feel the irc policy is flawed, why do you come on irc? im interested in knowing. i mean, since you know the policy, by using irc you are agreeing to abide by it are you not?

Min wrote:

umm, I don't have to 'agree to abide' by anything to join irc, if I happen to abide by the policy by inaction on my part, cool. Thats like saying that all the people who constantly abuse the policy have 'agreed to abide by it' when really they havn't, and couldn't care less about it, or its existance. I come on irc becuase in past I've made a few friends there, and I'm not about to let some retarded policy written by a few morons stop me. Especially since that particular irc chat room is not going to exist forever.

Well in your own words min, "...ignorance of the law is no excuse, as a part of this community its your job to know what the TOS says before taking large acts of utter idiocy." and ""Ignorance of the Law is not an excuse" so quit acting like it should be"

For your information, every person that joins irc sees this:

-
- By connecting to and using this server you agree to abide
- and follow all rules.
-

For someone as familiar and experienced in irc as well as winbolo as you are, surely you could not miss this. and if you did, again, in your own words "Ignorance of the Law is not an excuse"


My point here is this min: you are a hypocrit and i believe you make decisions based on how you feel at the time, then try to justify these actions afterwards. A lot of people are guilty of this, and it's an unfortunate part of human nature.

Now normally I dont go out of my way to point this out to someone cuz frankly i dont give a crap. But you have been dissing our irc server repeatedly in your posts. seemingly without provocation, and not constructive criticism either. And it bothers me to see someone continue to do so when i know the people of .us try hard, with no pay or any real benefit to make an open and positive atmosphere for the winbolo community as best as we can. And it especially annoys me to see this coming from someone that uses said server.

underdog wrote:

And it bothers me to see someone continue to do so when i know the people of .us try hard, with no pay or any real benefit to make an open and positive atmosphere for the winbolo community as best as we can.

Wow! *clap* *praise* Thank you for your dedication to the winbolo community! You guys work really hard! That's a joke. If you remember the reason .us was started was just to take power. :roll:

underdog wrote:

And it especially annoys me to see this coming from someone that uses said server.

Well, I guess I am fine in trashing it then.

Sigh, Hiroshi, we have a long history together. I'm saddened. :P

The real joke is the use of the word 'power'. There is no power here.

Regardless of how half-assed your remark was Nemokrad, what does that have to do with anything we're doing now?

And by "we", I include anyone who is actively taking part in IRC.

I never really got the whole power-trip thing.. it seems the only people who bring it up are the ones who at some point lost whatever capability they're deluding with term "power". It's honestly just one guy providing a ircd and a few people helping him out.

Get over yourself and move on.

Acro and jhood, you weren't there, so you wouldn't understand, so don't try and pretend to. I've said that before. I will go into it a bit though since you obviously didn't know. We used to have a much larger community. LRL created .us ircd because he got opped in #winbolo and then deopped. So he decided to split the community by recruiting people to move to .us mostly with lies and propaganda and bribes about ops, and he got some bots to move also. Obviously both of you are friends with LRL and not me so you can choose to believe me or not, I don't honestly care, but it's the truth. But it's over and done with now, I just like to rehash the truth every so often. :)

jhood wrote:

Regardless of how half-assed your remark was Nemokrad, what does that have to do with anything we're doing now?

So what are you doing now, jhood?