Knuck masquerading as other people

you weren't there, so you wouldn't understand, so don't try and pretend to.

That's sort of like saying you weren't there when your parents were conceiving you, so you wouldn't understand what happened. Faulty logic at best, even if you haven't read a sex-ed book.

Your second post honestly looked like a canned, bottled-up anger-driven rant, which just like your first post, had nothing to do with anything that was said prior. Do you normally just blow up like that, then use some sort of empirical statement to imply the other guy's a moron just to get your point across? You totally disregarded what I had said until your third post, which leads me to believe you're not really upset with me, but rather you have a emotional beef with LRL which, judging by your random, unprovoked comments, deeply effects your day to day life.

I take pity on you and I hope you get better.

Nemokrad wrote:

Acro and jhood, you weren't there, so you wouldn't understand, so don't try and pretend to.

Humor us! (oops)

Nova wrote:

Humor us! (oops)

Seriously, I think we need some friggen modding to keep these threads on topic, HA!

Nova, you owe me your existence! Bow to me!

jhood wrote:

That's sort of like saying you weren't there when your parents were conceiving you, so you wouldn't understand what happened. Faulty logic at best, even if you haven't read a sex-ed book.

Actually, my logic is quite fine; it's yours that is flawed. If you honestly think you know what took place I find that to be pretty amusing. Maybe LRL has told you in depth? Sort of documented and studied like child-birth is?

jhood wrote:

Your second post honestly looked like a canned, bottled-up anger-driven rant, which just like your first post, had nothing to do with anything that was said prior.

I won't deny that I do have strong feelings toward what occured because I used to care about the community, and like I said I do like to let the truth be told every so often. Deal with it. I know you are LRL's lackey jhood, by trying to skew and defame everything I say. It's all good though.

underdog wrote:

Where in the TOS does it say its ok to abuse the account if it is new or if the account doesnt have hundreds of posts made by the account holder? I fail to see where that is said or implied. When someone makes an account, it is their account.

Thats just it though, this isn't an account 'he' made .... reread the original post. Its really not my fault you failed to actually read everything before responding. Your just trying to save face for abusing brando's account. Quit pointing the finger at me for your questionable moral qualities.

underdog wrote:

Now normally I dont go out of my way to point this out to someone cuz frankly i dont give a crap. But you have been dissing our irc server repeatedly in your posts. seemingly without provocation, and not constructive criticism either. And it bothers me to see someone continue to do so when i know the people of .us try hard, with no pay or any real benefit to make an open and positive atmosphere for the winbolo community as best as we can. And it especially annoys me to see this coming from someone that uses said server.

'our' irc server? ... sorry but 'dissing' a flawed policy that 'you' refuse to modify or update ... well I think that speaks for itself.

Its almost like you forget that I 'tried hard with no pay or any real benifit' before the people you say try hard to make this a better place ruined the community for well over a year for what reason again? ... oh ya, becuase they had their op's removed ..... nice ..... The community has less players, less activity, and is overall in worse shape now. Why is that again? ... all this hard work from the .us folks. Ya, I'm done with this thread, if you want to continue this, feel free to email me ud.

Min

Your repeated questioning of others' lack of factual knowledge of the situation, when proceeded by your own summarization of the events, is revealing. Hopefully you'll be able to figure out what that means..

Truth be told, the only time anyone who joined in the last 3 years would have heard about the IRC split would be when one of the jaded, inactive players would rant about it. I've heard more about that stupid event from you and Min than I ever have from FireIce, LRL or Sheeps combined. I'm sure there were issues with how the segue was executed.. otherwise, you wouldn't randomly blurt out crap like how you are now. You'd probably sleep better at night, too.

I won't deny that I do have strong feelings toward what occured because I used to care about the community, and like I said I do like to let the truth be told every so often.

As fun as it would be to play this game where we turn this into some political fight where we all choose sides and sling mud and end up slobbing each others cocks, I have to stop you. Everyone can make up their own mind.. I'm just trying to help you out a bit by pointing you in the right direction: counseling.

Seriously, seek help.

wow, lol.

i wasn't even sure in my post if it was a good idea to bring up the irc policy.

Jhood wrote:

.. I'm just trying to help you out a bit by pointing you in the right direction: counseling.

ahahahahahahahah

p.s. I would like to see all of this energy one day put into a book, but im afraid at this rate it'll take more then a book to write bolo history. ;)

jhood wrote:

Your repeated questioning of others' lack of factual knowledge of the situation, when proceeded by your own summarization of the events, is revealing. Hopefully you'll be able to figure out what that means..

No, I really don't know what you mean there. Please explain. My repeated questioning of your factual knowlege was pretty much just commenting on your retarded child-birth comparison. I only responded with my summarization of events when you responded not knowing about what I was talking about when I referred to .us being created to steal power. I think you should learn this history if you are going to be trying to skew everything I say, don't you think?

jhood wrote:

As fun as it would be to play this game where we turn this into some political fight where we all choose sides and sling mud and end up slobbing each others cocks, I have to stop you.

No, you can't. And thank you for your repeated personal attacks jhood. They work well for you.

My repeated questioning of your factual knowlege was pretty much just commenting on your retarded child-birth comparison. I only responded with my summarization of events when you responded not knowing about what I was talking about when I referred to .us being created to steal power.

Sorry, I figured you were intelligent enough to put everything together. I'll go ahead and clear up the easy stuff, but I'll have to email you a PowerPoint presentation sometime to help out with the tough parts.

See, I mentioned that your lack of faith in our ability to understand the situation, given your lengthy (compared to LRL non-existent rant, for example) dissection had revealed that the majority of your statements hold no truth, therefore, I called you on it. Now, I have to say I am at fault for your confusion, because I had planned on you figuring that out. Silly me.

I grasp what happened: You used to run a server, you put too much faith into the wrong people, and it died. Simple as that, and the rest of what you bring up is just a petty, jaded flame-bait.

I ask you this: If the operator bait-and-switch that LRL and FireIce executed in mid-2003 was so harmful to the game, why did people choose to stay on that server, instead of rejoining your defunct service, after they didn't get their promised privileges? They don't have them now, and the irc.com dns now points to LRL. Hmm.. maybe it wasn't such a bad deal, because after all, all these people - vets and newer players, continue to join regardless.

Hmmmmmmm.

you know i still <3 you jeff.
that said, i disagree that was the reason winbolo was started, but lets say theoretically that was the reason it was started. as an american, you of all people would agree the ends justify the means dont they? look at all the bogus wars and endless lives that have been taken or ruined in the name of 'freedom'! /me counters jeffs sarcasm with his own

Nemokrad wrote:

underdog wrote:

And it bothers me to see someone continue to do so when i know the people of .us try hard, with no pay or any real benefit to make an open and positive atmosphere for the winbolo community as best as we can.

Wow! *clap* *praise* Thank you for your dedication to the winbolo community! You guys work really hard! That's a joke. If you remember the reason .us was started was just to take power. :roll:

underdog wrote:

And it especially annoys me to see this coming from someone that uses said server.

Well, I guess I am fine in trashing it then.

Sigh, Hiroshi, we have a long history together. I'm saddened. :P

jhood wrote:

dissection had revealed that the majority of your statements hold no truth, therefore, I called you on it.

Right. You proved my statements false, and then called me on it? I must have missed that.

jhood wrote:

I grasp what happened: You used to run a server, you put too much faith into the wrong people, and it died. Simple as that, and the rest of what you bring up is just a petty, jaded flame-bait.

There you go again, thinking you understand. I already explained to you why it died. You wonder why I keep trying to set things straight? And I did not run the server, it was a service run by Elvis.

jhood wrote:

I ask you this: If the operator bait-and-switch that LRL and FireIce executed in mid-2003 was so harmful to the game, why did people choose to stay on that server, instead of rejoining your defunct service, after they didn't get their promised privileges? They don't have them now, and the irc.com dns now points to LRL. Hmm.. maybe it wasn't such a bad deal, because after all, all these people - vets and newer players, continue to join regardless.

That's a pretty dumb question. The bots were gone and barely anyone went to irc.winbolo.com. DNS was migrated so it could be unified again.

jhood, I'm not going to bother responding to your inane posts anymore. It's a waste of time. It's clear you don't actually care about anything besides smearing me.

But nemo wasn't it actually run by ten, a friend of Elvis posssssssibly off an adult website oriented server? then moved I think to Elvis' vps either way who the fuck cares anymore. Its all about if you aren't smart enough to make your own account and then ask for the password for an account someone else was nice enough to create for you in a public irc channel (not a PM wtf?) you deserve to have it stolen.

oh and since you don't have to be there to understand things that happened in the past. I am going to tell you guys everything that happened in Anna Nicole's hotel room and who really killed Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman. Some other time though I am still telepathically finding answers to other mysteries like what happened to Amelia Earhart.

C'mon SJ; don't argue so badly that even I can shoot it down! :lol: Many of us understand the American Civil War and none of us were there when it happened. There's often enough information available about past events to form educated opinion.

But there are also instances where we don't have enough information available to form any kind of opinion. Especially when the information is provided by 5 people with different stories and 3 that weren't around with stories like they were.

Also like Nemo said, the civil war was very well documented like child birth. You don't see a wikipedia article for the great winbolo split of '03, but I nominate MaddMaxx to write it.

Acro wrote:

There's often enough information available about past events to form an educated opinion.

And yet somehow, Acro never seems to come up with one.

CF

Suicide Jockey wrote:

Its all about if you aren't smart enough to make your own account and then ask for the password for an account someone else was nice enough to create for you in a public irc channel (not a PM wtf?) you deserve to have it stolen.

on topic, and thats what i figure.

I think this topic's question was answered in the second or third post that stated IRC rules didn't apply.

Nemokrad, you seemed receptive so I kept trashing you. I am actually genuinely interested in the under-pinnings of the irc shuffle up, mainly because I want to prevent it from happening again. The current IRC roster is too small to endure that successfully.

I was sort of against the unification, because it was very apparent that there were 3 very distinct groups of players:

1) The .com'ers
2) The .us'ers
3) The players who didn't care what server they were on

Groups 1 and 2 didn't really get along too well, and it effected group 3. I think this was the process that pretty shaved off the majority of winboloers out of the community.

There has been consideration amongst some active WinBoloers regarding purchasing advertising to market the game and irc channel, and I wouldn't want that money to go to waste, so I'd like your input on how to prevent a possible community split down the road.

Thanks in advance.

Right, jhood, right. I see your intentions have been pure all along. The personal attacks were just thrown in there for good measure.

If you actually care about what you say, you can email me via my winbolo.net forward.

Suicide Jockey wrote:

But nemo wasn't it actually run by ten, a friend of Elvis posssssssibly off an adult website oriented server? then moved I think to Elvis' vps either way who the fuck cares anymore.

The server is owned by ten yes. The tracker is still run off it. The IRCD is actually still operational and you can still connect to it via tracker.winbolo.com.

I came up with a marketing plan in November, and if I actually spend money on anything, I don't want a bunch of the burnout vet's trashing the newer players into quitting like they do now. Thus, I'd like to seperate the bitchy vets into their own corner, away from the newer players who probably don't want the entire 4 years of WinBolo drama thrust upon them in one sitting..

Which is exactly what you guys would do.

So in essence, I'm saying that if I pay money to advertise the game on slashdot, or digg, or the other various outlets that I have planned out, I don't want you part of the community.

If you could provide some simple barriers I could put in place to block your access to the new community, that would be great. Otherwise, I'm not going out of my way to poll you and I'll think of something on my own.

Sigh, Hiroshi, we have a long history together. I'm saddened.

you wouldn't understand, so don't try and pretend to

I know you are LRL's lackey jhood, by trying to skew and defame everything I say.

If you actually care about what you say

If you're looking for a career path, I'd say scripting soap opera's in your blood.

jhood wrote:

I came up with a marketing plan in November, and if I actually spend money on anything, I don't want a bunch of the burnout vet's trashing the newer players into quitting like they do now. Thus, I'd like to seperate the bitchy vets into their own corner, away from the newer players who probably don't want the entire 4 years of WinBolo drama thrust upon them in one sitting..

Oh my. You don't need us trashing your new players when you have people like derami doing it for you. Nothing in this thread was about trashing new players. Scaring new players away? perhaps, but not trashing. If you want to market winbolo, first, give elvis enough money that he can start his own irc server, on a host of his choice, with a ircd of his choice.... with ops and opers of his choice .... Its his game. Those should be his choices. Period. LRL shouldn't be in control of the irc server, elvis should be. You shouldn't be in control of 'marketing' the game. If elvis wanted it marketed, he'd do it himself. Were do you get off trying to get rid of 'burnout vets' when people like YOU are scaring off more players that we are. You morons shouldn't be writing policy that governs how players in elvis's game behave. Elvis should be, and thats exactly why .com didn't have a policy. Elvis hadn't written one. I don't take it apon myself to manage how elvis's game progresses. Why do you think you should be taking that away from him? ... have you even talked to him about any of this? ... Your never going to get rid of us jhood, it would take alot more resources than you have availible to do that.

Min

*world explodes*

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Your never going to get rid of us jhood, it would take alot more resources than you have availible to do that.

Fight till the death, Min!

Regarding the rest of your post, we share the same thoughts.. except that I came to a conclusion (which you haven't arrived at yet, seemingly) that Elvis wouldn't take the time to do any of that. I really doubt he'd pin players against each other by suggesting who controls the IRC channel, because regardless of who he'd choose, someone wouldn't like it.

I don't take it apon myself to manage how elvis's game progresses.

Between the 2 of us, Min, which one has the most bolo clone projects under our belt? Seems like you beat me considerably.

If you want to market winbolo, first, give elvis enough money that he can start his own irc server, on a host of his choice, with a ircd of his choice.... with ops and opers of his choice .... Its his game. Those should be his choices. Period. LRL shouldn't be in control of the irc server, elvis should be.

Wouldn't he have established that by now? It doesn't even make sense to even bring that up, let alone use it as reason to halt what I'm doing.

Funny though, when I mentioned the stuff LRL puts into the current server, I was laughed at, however NOW it all of a sudden takes money and effort.

You guys sit still and keep throwing rocks from under the bridge.. I'm gonna cross it and bring people back so you have a reason to stay.

jhood wrote:

Regarding the rest of your post, we share the same thoughts.. except that I came to a conclusion (which you haven't arrived at yet, seemingly) that Elvis wouldn't take the time to do any of that. I really doubt he'd pin players against each other by suggesting who controls the IRC channel, because regardless of who he'd choose, someone wouldn't like it.

weither someone 'likes' it or not is kinda irrelevant.

jhood wrote:

Wouldn't he have established that by now? It doesn't even make sense to even bring that up, let alone use it as reason to halt what I'm doing.

Strangely enough, I've talked to elvis, and at some point, this is exactly what he plans on doing, his own irc server with his own custom ircd.

jhood wrote:

Funny though, when I mentioned the stuff LRL puts into the current server, I was laughed at, however NOW it all of a sudden takes money and effort.

Never said how much it took, and the answer to that is ... 'not much'

jhood wrote:

You guys sit still and keep throwing rocks from under the bridge.. I'm gonna cross it and bring people back so you have a reason to stay.

Strangely enough, I don't see flooding this website with traffic, forcing elvis to pay far more money to keep winbolo going in bandwidth costs for a game hardly anyone registers, as being a reason to 'stay'

I've really no reason to continue this conversation hood, if you want to keep talking about this, you can email me.

Min