Could another IBL tourney be created??

I've been looking at a post that ud and Elvis were discussing about today on how team racking would be a great option,... off that it sparked a memory of the league we had started in the past, I was wondering what others thought about having another started up, I would be more then willing to help out in ne way I could, organization score keeping, spreading the word, w/e would be helpful, please let me know what you all think about starting the league back up


Addbot

A Bolo league would be a great idea, surely there must be some kind of program out there that could be used to implement score tracking in a practical way (Any budding programers out there?).

You could have set length leagues and possibly two seperate leagues to seperate the new players from the more experience. Course this would depend on the interest in the idea in the first place but it has my vote, anybody else interested?

Ess-K

sounds good!!!!

I'm still of the opinion that this community has not matured enough for another IBL. considering how the last IBL went, I doubt there is enough interest.

Min

What happened with the last tournament Min?

How about the regulars set something up, we know who we are, myself, Madscout, Fermat etc.

Perhaps a limited tournament initially with a waiting list for serious gamers who want to take part?

Ess-K

Min wrote:

I'm still of the opinion that this community has not matured enough for another IBL. considering how the last IBL went, I doubt there is enough interest.

Min

I fully agree, in fact I feel that the community has taken steps backwards instead of forwards. I think it will be a while before people are ready for an ibl - granted there are a select few who would be fine (like last time), but on a whole I don't think it would work.

What happened with the last tournament Min?

How about the regulars set something up, we know who we are, myself, Madscout, Fermat etc.

Perhaps a limited tournament initially with a waiting list for serious gamers who want to take part?

Ess-K

It was very stressful with people always fighting and accusing each other of cheating - having to try and be a mediator/organizer was not the easiest task. Most of the time we were lucky if we got 2 full games going. Because most of the players are school age, they are not "reliable" with their times due to unexpected stuff - school, parents.... one player (no names mentioned) would leave his teammate in the middle of a game to answer the phone and talk to his gf, or because his gf came over. After this happened twice in a row he was suspended, which opened a whole other can of worms. He was not the only person to do something of this nature. It screws not only yourself, but your teammate for that game as well. Another thing that was hard to deal with was time zones - when people in North America could play, people in Asia were sleeping or whatever. And even in North America - when some people could play others were still in school, or when they could play the others were eating dinner.

I wish luck to whoever is trying to organize another IBL; it is a difficult, stressful and time consuming task.

-Liz

Min, and Liz,

Your outlook oh this id definitely applaudeable beings I know it had to be rough last time, had I remembered correctly the league did have quite a few objections as far as time and as far as life events were concern. I certainly will not try to defend ne individual nor group in irc, for that would be pointless and not the topic, however, I must say I see just the opposite when I outlook the channels as a whole. Call me Optimistic, or just good natured now, but I think this is exactly what could spark growth and numbers. I also feel that alot of players out there what to prove themselves, seemed to me that the league and the rankings we helpful for that as wel.

By No means am I trying to undermine either one of u, or say that you two are wrong and I know more. I just feel if we stay on a defensive level, with sheer pestimism of what this might result or the maturity levels of the clicks would be then we will miss out on sumthing that could be HUGE!

Again, I am a baby programmer at this point and, my scripting always gets checked by someone else right now, ( :oops: they know who they are, and I appreciate there diligence to helpo me). My point with this paragraph is I will help out in ne form I can, to make sure that everything runs as smoothly as I can make it, I obviously cant do it alone, so if you two could help me, or can think of a few men that would we could give this a shot.

please reconsider, I know in the past some have rubbed you the wrong way, and some have just been irresponsible, (heck I'm sure in the past I was was one of them at times, and for that I apologize greatly). but perhaps this could really change all that, and wtih time manners I have been trying to be on at all depths of the hours, and I have a feel as to when the high volumes hit, and what players are present at that time. this can weigh on when we start the league,

PLease lend me your input on this.

Addy

i for one am totally for an ibl. anyone who doesnt know what this is, the link to the old stuff is available at www.lgm.com/bolo/ibl

ibl was the high point of bolo, and i had the great honor of playing in it in its first winbolo season. I considered it the most fun in 2x2 gaming I had ever experienced in bolo, period

If anyone is willing to set up a website and do the point tabulation/scripting, i would be more than happy to organize, even if that means I dont get to play, just because I think the new players deserve the great memories I got out of it.

If anyone can get a hold of Jolo and his support, that would be the first big step.

Addboy - the first step would be to get the scripts from Jolo by contacting him. He's written a huge amount of scripts to automate everything in IBL. I do agree with the above posts, both from my personal experience when I was Jolo's original co-organizer for IBL as well as from what I saw later on when I was an advisor to the winbolo IBL, running IBL can be a stressfull and time consuming event. However, with the right mindset, it can be fun. I sure had a huge blast when I helped organize thought it took a lot of time to do so.

On the community side, I personally feel this winbolo community is doing pretty good - better then we have in a long time - here we are a full 6 months away from the last release of the game and we're seeing a record high number of people participating on winbolo IRC channels, an explosion of people particpating on this winbolo forums, and an all-time record number of game server bots as well as a higher then normal number of people contributing their time and effort through coding stuff for winbolo, making webpages etc. Things are really good right now.

So who knows, maybe it's time for IBL again, if someone is willing to pick up the slack to organize it.

Ess-K wrote:

What happened with the last tournament Min?
Ess-K

http://www.lgm.com/bolo/ibl/news/survive.txt

i would love to see a other IBL. i did not get a chance to play the last one because there was only one computer in my house and underdog was using it for the IBL. however, i did watch many of his games. but, i really don't think jolo is really up for a other IBL. in fact, i don't think jolo is either playing bolo anymore.

Hrmmm, praps only the elite winboloists could partake in this event, or ppl that you know will be reliable (ppl wit not much else to do). If we do get this up and running, I would like to thank all the pplz that will make it possible!

Jolo,

Of course your input on the manner is beyond valuable to me and the others interested in this opportunity. It's actually an honor really to be offered your scripts to help organize and support the event. THe few of us that are actually interested in seting this off, are by far just as intolerable as you and min were in reguards to defamation and insults towards the work and other players.

Now I know that sky and Bthunder for some reason are establishing a side tourney for the .us channel,..... however I do not want to set this up, disregarding ne players outside of .us or any other channel that would like to participate, there are quite a handfull of players who choose not to use the winbolo.net opt. as well, which would make the rankings from .net be rather inaccurate.

I really feel ibl rather then a side tourney, is the best solution so no one feels discriminated towards and all may feel welcome. Furthermore, if what indiana is stating is true and ud has the extra pc to use for ibl, I feel me and ud can work sumthing out in reguards to the next ibl.

However, if it becomes the case that no one will help w/ a non ".us -only" tourney, then the process could take a wee bit longer until I move and get my three computers networked and abroad. So if others have a more well established get up your assistance is needed, I will do the gopher work for u.

Sincerely,
Addbot

After reading what you just posted add, I am almost inspired to organize another IBL.

If what you say is true then I find it very depressing that the Winbolo communities are parted like the red sea, to the point where you can only participate in the tournament if you join .us :(

-Liz

liz,

I would too agree that the separation is rather faint. To thin kthat at one time all of these ppl got along and co-existed in one channel and spoke to one another as if nothing was wrong, however from reading past forums and initialing hearing concerns and vindictive sly remarks tossed back and forth, there was obviously just a front in that old community,

However,... I am not necessarily trying to dig up old flames or past controversy, I just think that if a tourney is gonna be hosted, it should be open and free to all, I appreciate that u agree on this,...

After all,... nobody is discriminated by color or race or gender in bolo, nor should they be judged by weight or heiight or heck how many pimples may occur on there forehead, my point with all this rambling, is that I too dont thin kthe tourney should be discriminatory,

Your and min's help would be outrageous but, if you two arent interested I can understand your concerns and objections, but I need: "A few good ppl" to step forward that can help this process.

So far that I know of my commmitment is there, and I beleive ud's is too. but we could use a few more,.......

please lemme know if ne one else can help us out

Addy

If you need a server and a semi-unbiased person to help run this show I will help out add

addbot wrote:

Jolo,

Of course your input on the manner is beyond valuable to me and the others interested in this opportunity. It's actually an honor really to be offered your scripts to help organize and support the event. THe few of us that are actually interested in seting this off, are by far just as intolerable as you and min were in reguards to defamation and insults towards the work and other players.

Now I know that sky and Bthunder for some reason are establishing a side tourney for the .us channel,..... however I do not want to set this up, disregarding ne players outside of .us or any other channel that would like to participate, there are quite a handfull of players who choose not to use the winbolo.net opt. as well, which would make the rankings from .net be rather inaccurate.

I really feel ibl rather then a side tourney, is the best solution so no one feels discriminated towards and all may feel welcome. Furthermore, if what indiana is stating is true and ud has the extra pc to use for ibl, I feel me and ud can work sumthing out in reguards to the next ibl.

However, if it becomes the case that no one will help w/ a non ".us -only" tourney, then the process could take a wee bit longer until I move and get my three computers networked and abroad. So if others have a more well established get up your assistance is needed, I will do the gopher work for u.

Sincerely,
Addbot

i dont recall the tourny ever being ".us only" or whatever that means.

Ud: I appreciate you challenging what I stated, its good people like you that keep me well on my feet and grounded at times, HOWEVER, why dont you look at the address for the tourneys site that sky is using, better yet here :
| Sky's tournament : http://wbtournay03.winbolo.us

All sarcasm aside, do u not see the ".us" at the end, unfortunately the .us represents a community of ppl that others despise or have conflict of interests with, that would mean that these ppl would most likely not come and join due to the fact that its based, and labeled to the "winbolo.us" commmunity, if it were ibl, there is not .com .us .net . anthing, it would be a all around, come all, tourney that not one person would feel outta place there. Besides even if some of the players from other channels do arrive, why must we inhibit the ones that wont, afterall we are looking for a good show up of players for this, and even with a hundred percent optimism, It's ineveitable that we will have to weed out some due to poor attitude or bad mouths.

I say we let this "ibl" be the first time in a loooong time that all channels co-mingle and put the pety conflicts aside. and having a tourney hosted on a site labeled ".us" isnt gonna make that possible ud unfortunately.

Oh and lastly but entirely uplifting, SJ. Yes, I would love to get your assistance in the manner, your server and your help would be out of this world! If you know of perhaps one or two more, that would most likely fill in the gaps.


Thank u all,

addy

addbot wrote:

Now I know that sky and Bthunder for some reason are establishing a side tourney for the .us channel,..... however I do not want to set this up, disregarding ne players outside of .us or any other channel that would like to participate

Addbot

Umm, the tournament is for everyone Addbot. I'm not forsure where you got the idea it is only for .us players. I did say that the tournament site would be on www.winbolo.us but that doesn't mean it's only for people that go into irc.winbolo.us Sorry if I confused anyone. I'm looking for any and all winboloers to participate

Sky

addbot wrote:

Ud: I appreciate you challenging what I stated, its good people like you that keep me well on my feet and grounded at times, HOWEVER, why dont you look at the address for the tourneys site that sky is using, better yet here :
| Sky's tournament : http://wbtournay03.winbolo.us

All sarcasm aside, do u not see the ".us" at the end, unfortunately the .us represents a community of ppl that others despise or have conflict of interests with, that would mean that these ppl would most likely not come and join due to the fact that its based, and labeled to the "winbolo.us" commmunity
addy

When I first decided to get the turnament going I mentioned I hope it didn't stop people form playing because of the site location. Since it seems this will be a problem, an unforseen problem I can find another place to set up the site. I just really didn't think people wouldn't play in the tournament because the site had .us at the end. In fact addbot if you read this /forums/topic/591, you'll see that I actually did consider that problem before you came back into the community.

I find this whole thing rather amusing. I will be very interested in finding out how this little experiment turns out. I will not participate though.

Min

Personally I am not at all interested in an elimination tournament. I kinda know where I sit on the ladder, and it doesn't matter how many 1x1's I play against boatmaker, I'll get my butt kicked every time.

IBL represents something entirely different. I was a big fan when it first came out on mac. It is a chance to meet weekly and get grouped with players of a similar ability (assuming enough players show up)... To strive to make that next higher division, or to attempt to hold your own in a division one higher than you maybe should be.

As much as I'd like to get involved, I simply don't think it can happen for me. I (usually) cannot be available for evenings or weekends.

-Fermat

Skywalker,

You know, everyday I think you cant say some thing ne more stupid and ignorant than things you've said in the past, and everyday you prove that theory incorrect.

First, you had no "tourney" plans ne time soon until I posted this forum and me and ud were discussing it one morning last week in .us. Me and Ud both said that it should be held through ibl, but we were both contacting jolo to get the whole shindig started, so for sakes of you had the idead before I returned, is obsolete and not even the point,

Second if you truly are as ignorant as your acting in your posts, you have some serious constitutional problems in the head. how the hell would you figure it wouldnt be an issue to have the tourney on a .us website, have you not been paying attention to what happened during my absence from the "commmunity". There are quite a few hot heads about the whole splitting channels and the words tossed back and forth, and I cant even imagine how you foresaw no body being affected by .us representing the tourney.

you quoted :

I just really didn't think people wouldn't play in the tournament because the site had .us at the end.

dude, come on, how neglegent can u be, do you think too that ppl who are angry toward .us would join the channel in irc too just for kicks, HELL NO! They want nothing to do with it PERIOD. yet starting a tourney under .us hell you didnt see ne dilemna's there?


In conclusion, sky plz wake up and grow a brain, oh and btw I already predict your response on how you will ask, "Addy whats your problem wife not putting out lately" and I have only one thing to leave u with on that note. I have a wife and you dont, and theres a fine lined reason why thas the case.

Addy

P.s. Min, No problem that you would rather not participate I appreciate your honesty. Been one attribute about u, no matter how tuff it was to swallow you were always honest.

addbot wrote:

P.s. Min, No problem that you would rather not participate I appreciate your honesty. Been one attribute about u, no matter how tuff it was to swallow you were always honest.

He can be brutally honest, to the point of painful :( But I guess that’s a good thing at times.

I've considered helping with IBL, I've weighed my options, and I would really like to *which is even weird for me to understand* but at this point I have too much on my plate. *But* if you need a sub organizer, or you just need a break from the whole ordeal, let me know, I will help out where I can.

-Liz

No point in lieing about stuff that doesn't matter.

Min

addboy, i think your making a bigger deal out of something that isnt. 5 people who hate winbolo.us is hardly a red river or whatever you said about the community. the fact is, most people use both, and really dont care. your remind me of those black kids that are angry at the world cuz of racism, but in actuality, they are the most racist. its all in your head.

hosting it on winbolo.us doesnt mean you have to be on the .us side of the fence, or whatever. i hate microsoft, but i use their websites, i use hotmail for my msn, etc. doesnt mean i agree with everything they say/do/think. fuck that

you should really not propagate your prejudice for it simpley because it's a site hosted on .us, if all your basing it on is what you have stated. personally, i find it rather rude.

i dislike the US in many ways, doesnt mean i wont go there, buy their shit, talk to people from US, etc. LETS STOP THE HATE PEOPLE!